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01-19-2021, 03:33 PM #1351
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01-19-2021, 03:40 PM #1352
La Caille base station gondola is 1,050 ppl/hr: https://littlecottonwoodeis.udot.uta...0_2020_FIN.pdf
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01-19-2021, 03:48 PM #1353
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01-19-2021, 03:50 PM #1354
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01-19-2021, 04:22 PM #1355
Still confused. Not uncommon anymore. Looking at the UDOT plan, isn't the 1,050 number for buses?
And with three angles to get to Alta, that's three lifts, not one.
Shorter cables = faster speeds, no?
The Doppelmayr/Garaventa Group’s proven tricable gondola detachable (TGD) ropeways combine the benefits of gondola lift and reversible aerial tramway. The result is technical perfection. This 3S system has two fixed, fully locked track ropes on which the carrier travels and a circulating haul rope which is clamped to the 8-wheel carriages. This detachable continuous movement system offers top performance and reliability. It has cabins for up to 38 passengers and maintains top ride comfort even in extreme weather conditions. Very high wind stability, low energy consumption and the capability to cope with very long rope spans are the unmistakable strengths of 3S ropeways.
To enable all passengers to be safely returned to solid ground in an emergency scenario, an innovative recovery concept was developed for 3S lifts. All functionally relevant parts and equipment are duplicated and independent of one another. The aim of this novel development was to provide the technical and organizational means to ensure that all cabins can always be safely returned to the nearest station.
The 3S gondola lift at a glance- Speed up to 8.5 m/s
- Transport capacity up to 5,500 passengers per hour and direction
- Utmost availability
- Top comfort and safety
- All parts and equipment comply with EU directives (CEN)
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01-19-2021, 04:29 PM #1356
Length does not affect capacity of circulating lifts like chairs and gondolas. It is only affected on jig backs like trams. There are two (sort of three) factors that determine capacity of normal lifts: number of people per carrier, and load interval (which can be broken into carrier spacing and speed). On a jig back you can take load interval and split it into length, speed (these determine trip time) and time between trips. I would guess capacity is low due to a long spacing for 3 reasons. 1. Less towers needed, which means smaller environmental impact footprint, and of course less money. 2. Less cabins means less money spent on cabins, those fuckers ain’t cheap, and with a long line you would have to have more cabins to keep your spacing short. 3. Other engineering considerations that would decrease cost, like haul rope, motor size etc. That all being said, they may design the lift for higher capacity with the ability to add cabins later.
TLDR low capacity cause money not length.
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01-19-2021, 04:50 PM #1357
1,050 is for "Transit" which in this alternative means gondola+bus service to the gondi base from satellite parking hubs. You'll have to talk to UDOT and Doppelmayr for firm answers about the capacity issue.
Thanks for the input! Some stuff I had read indicated that you could only put so many cabins onto one rope before the motor required became prohibitive, so spacing had to increase with length which reduced total ppl/hr. Still, there is a relationship, albeit an indirect one. Honestly, that just makes it that much more infuriating--a gondola that would actually solve the problem will cost too much money, so let's spend half a billion dollars building a half-assed compromise that gets us the worst of both worlds. Wonderful.
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01-19-2021, 05:02 PM #1358
Snowbirds plan for the Olympics is men’s and women’s slalom potentially under lights.
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01-19-2021, 05:37 PM #1359
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01-19-2021, 05:41 PM #1360
I think length really just adds friction, and other inefficiencies. I think vertical is the big difference maker on power needed. What’s the vertical for the lift? You very well may have a good point there.
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01-19-2021, 06:12 PM #1361
It's about 3,500 vert.
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01-19-2021, 06:31 PM #1362
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01-19-2021, 06:48 PM #1363
If only there was a study or two that was already done referencing the same problem. Now a third study is about to conclude. There has to be a point of diminishing returns on this. 3 studies now with great names but no results equates kicking the can down the line.
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01-19-2021, 06:55 PM #1364Lambaster
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01-19-2021, 07:06 PM #1365
We could at least spend some of the $50 mil. the Governor is willing to spend to purchase the land where the gondola base would be, eh?
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01-19-2021, 08:32 PM #1366
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01-19-2021, 08:52 PM #1367Registered User
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The "S" in EIS doesn't stand for study. The State of Utah is also tired of the studies and has moved on to environmental compliance as well as earmarking funding. Now that the alternatives have been revised, one of them is likely to be implemented relatively soon unless the decision is litigated.
DTM posted this link, but it's worth repeating. Be sure to scroll down to view the handy webmap with preliminary engineering data showing infrastructure locations and disturbance areas for the various components that make up the alternatives.
https://littlecottonwoodeis.udot.uta...-alternatives/
The La Caille gondola base is privately owned by an investment group that includes the ex-state legislators mentioned above, so I don't imagine parking will be free.
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01-19-2021, 08:54 PM #1368
On more uplifting topics, anyone have a marker griffon/jester jig I could borrow for a day once my lady’s bindings arrive
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01-19-2021, 09:30 PM #1369
I’ve been inspired by illadvisedstratedgy’s winterized moped talk. I’ll be buying a Honda ruckus with studs to access the gondola. Can park that bad boy anywhere and it gets 70mpg. Hope they allow mountain bikes so I can rally the big mountain trail to the quarry home from work in the summer.
In all reality. I’m pretty sure this is a done deal, Olympics included.
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01-19-2021, 09:43 PM #1370Registered User
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01-19-2021, 10:47 PM #1371
Oh my god what a nightmare the quarry trail would become if they allow mountain bikes on the gondola
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01-20-2021, 02:32 AM #1372"When the child was a child it waited patiently for the first snow and it still does"- Van "The Man" Morrison
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01-20-2021, 08:38 AM #1373
Haha. All good. I’ll shoot you a PM once those binders show. My only qualms with the Cardiff guy is that he stays in his lane up there with regards to building and motorized vehicle use. I don’t care that he runs the cat and takes friends skiing, but if the rumors are true and he’s going off the road, there are some larger impact concerns.
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01-20-2021, 08:51 AM #1374
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01-20-2021, 09:02 AM #1375Registered User
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