To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

[MultiVerse]

To vaccinate or not: The UK variant along with the variants from South Africa and Brazil appear to have emerged from individuals due to accelerated evolution in an immunocompromised patient as well as in patients given polyclonal serum antibodies.

The mutations allowed the virus to escape treatments. Failure to achieve mass immunization through vaccination will give the virus more opportunities to evade vaccines making them less effective in the future.

[Ted Striker]

The poor milkman.

I've always wondered why my brother and I don't look alike

[riser4]

Dammit. Guess that explains why I have been giving my guns and ammo away to random strangers.

I will happily be one of those random strangers. I'll take all the guns and ammo you feel you need to get rid of.

[TNKen]

Got my second Pfizer shot yesterday around 10am. No issues during the day except my arm feeling increasingly sore, more so than the first shot. Woke up around 2am with a terrible headache, body aches and a 100.8 fever. Took some Tylenol and tried to sleep. Fever finally broke around 7am to 99.7 and now fever free (10am). Body still feels wrecked and the headache is lingering. They had to stagger our schedules so all of the Er nurses have the day off after receiving the second shot. No gills or scales yet so that’s a plus.


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Wife, a case manager on a respiratory floor, gets dose #2 of Pfizer this Friday. They likewise staggered the dosing at her facility. Fortunately, I am away at a fishing tournament over the weekend.

[nickwm21]

Does anyone in AZ know if the Mayo Clinic is scheduling shots for patients or ex patients?

Good friend is a nurse at Mayo and had to go to a different facility to get the first round shot....


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[Falcon3]

Good friend is a nurse at Mayo and had to go to a different facility to get the first round

Wonder if she got the real thing or just Miracle Whip

[nickwm21]

Wonder if she got the real thing or just Miracle Whip

Haha she had flu symptoms for 30min that night... so likely Kewpie


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[old goat]

I don't know about the vaccine but either the virus or the antibody cocktail clearly causes insanity.

[Ted Striker]

Only for people with orange ancestry

[DJSapp]

From the land of good news and people thinking on their feet:

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/artic...P-CP-Spotlight

TL: DR Ukiah Valley Medical Center's fridge broke down overnight, leaving 850 Moderna doses at room temp at 2am. They had about 4 hours to inject it all before it expired, and they got it done in 2.5 hours via social media and word of mouth for some first come first served action. They figured it was better to inject whomever they could get than to waste it. Good job Ukiah MC.

[old goat]

Only for people with orange ancestry

Dutch?

[pureantigravity]

I'll just leave this here. It wasn't the surveys political implications but everything in between that I found interesting.
What's with Health Care Workers?



Pic from survey done here:
https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covi...december-2020/

[Ted Striker]

Dutch?

Scottish and German, but his dad pretended to be Swedish.

[old goat]

To vaccinate or not: The UK variant along with the variants from South Africa and Brazil appear to have emerged from individuals due to accelerated evolution in an immunocompromised patient as well as in patients given polyclonal serum antibodies.

The mutations allowed the virus to escape treatments. Failure to achieve mass immunization through vaccination will give the virus more opportunities to evade vaccines making them less effective in the future.

Doesn't it seem likely that we will be chasing mutations with yearly, or maybe less often vaccination? Although unless we wind up with a cheap, easy to make, easy to store, easy to give vaccine the challenge of maintaining an ongoing vaccination program with something like the Pfizer or Moderna will be daunting.

[KQ]

My mom gets her vax tomorrow.

[glademaster]

Selfish.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Selfish.

?


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[DeathRaven]

Selfish.

Right? All of these privileged white folks gloating about them & theirs cutting the line and getting in front of the less privileged people who are at much higher risk? It's shameful, to be quite honest. Until all of the people in 3rd world countries have been vaccinated, followed by minority groups in the USA, any white American who gets the vaccine is complicit in the death of affected persons from marginalized groups. It is white privilege to the nth degree.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I'll just leave this here. It wasn't the surveys political implications but everything in between that I found interesting.
What's with Health Care Workers?



Pic from survey done here:
https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covi...december-2020/

I love how people assume healthcare workers are rational critical thinkers that trust science. A lot of them go into these careers just because it’s good money and they can pass the coursework. I know many at my hospital who aren’t going to get the vaccine because they don’t trust the science, it’s just the flu, I’m young, I’m going to wait and see, etc., etc. It’s baffling.


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[prsboogie]

Doesn't it seem likely that we will be chasing mutations with yearly, or maybe less often vaccination? Although unless we wind up with a cheap, easy to make, easy to store, easy to give vaccine the challenge of maintaining an ongoing vaccination program with something like the Pfizer or Moderna will be daunting.

I am already preparing for this to be a biannual vaccine. Not based on anything but gut instinct. 2nd dose in 30 minutes- Pfizer

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[MagnificentUnicorn]

Right? All of these privileged white folks gloating about them & theirs cutting the line and getting in front of the less privileged people who are at much higher risk? It's shameful, to be quite honest. Until all of the people in 3rd world countries have been vaccinated, followed by minority groups in the USA, any white American who gets the vaccine is complicit in the death of affected persons from marginalized groups. It is white privilege to the nth degree.

Are you and glade posting in response to KQ posting that her mom is getting the vaccine? I believe her mom is elderly and in a senior/assisted living community. Are you insane?


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[prsboogie]

People suck unicorn, you should know that. There is an OT I've been working with who has new cardiomegaly at 27 years old after contracting covid in March. Her resting HR when from 52-55 to 74-77. Still has periods of fatigue, she had zero comorbidities and is a runner for fun (crazy girl).

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[MagnificentUnicorn]

People suck unicorn, you should know that. There is an OT I've been working with who has new cardiomegaly at 27 years old after contracting covid in March. Her resting HR when from 52-55 to 74-77. Still has periods of fatigue, she had zero comorbidities and is a runner for fun (crazy girl).

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Yeah, I know. I guess it’s baffling in the sense that people in general seem to be willfully ignorant and/or stupid. Like a majority.


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[DeathRaven]

Are you and glade posting in response to KQ posting that her mom is getting the vaccine? I believe her mom is elderly and in a senior/assisted living community. Are you insane?


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I think that's who glademaster was responding to (and I don't disagree) but there are many other examples in this thread. Why are their lives more valuable than minorities living in 3rd world countries without easy access to modern healthcare? Why should those people die, and the privileged white American's live?

[jono]

Protective can be important. On mobile, for example, it looks like this: