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  1. #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2FUNKY View Post
    How cute. A JONG calling others JONG’s....
    It should have put in tech talk tho.....
    My bad. In my head it was a lifestyle issue, but you’re right... it’s a gear issue and it got specific real fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmiepoison View Post
    My bad. In my head it was a lifestyle issue, but you’re right... it’s a gear issue and it got specific real fast.
    It’s still summer until a ski resort opens. Important questions like this deserve to not be relegated to tech talk/bullfighting until such time as actual stoke appears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clownshoe View Post
    when its the right day you feel like a super hero.
    ^^^boom bom^^^
    Fear, Doubt, Disbelief, you have to let it all go. Free your mind!

  4. #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    I got 2 pair of the red hybrid lotus 120's in 184 & 190 (only 3 s/n apart) so IME the difference in weight & handling between the Lotus 184/ Vertical/ Vulcan, the Lotus 190/ baron/ 4buckle and the 185 Gigawatt/ 4 frnt demo bindings/ 4 buckle is very noticable

    To the OP, not counting just getting them turned the Fat & super Fats are a lot of ski/ lot of weight on your feet and knees, so IME it took a bit of training to get used to that much weight, I know I got the smoking deal on the 190 lotus cuz buddy just couldn't handle them

    i actualy like the ride of the 184 over the 190, somehow the 184 has more early rise than the 190 and now the 184 feels like an XC ski
    You want weight? You should try a pair of Dynastar Cham 127s with metal Drivers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn View Post
    You want weight? You should try a pair of Dynastar Cham 127s with metal Drivers.


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    My 107s weigh more than my bodacious. I can only imagine the 127s.

  6. #31
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    I have a pair of now discontinued Sick Day 125s. Progressive shape, directional mount and flex, no metal. They are a pain in the knees to get on edge and need about 3 inches minimum to work at all. However once there is 6 inches or more they are super fun and even such a small amount of fresh gives that great floaty feeling. I usually stick to my OG Cochise until that point.

  7. #32
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn View Post
    You want weight? You should try a pair of Dynastar Cham 127s with metal Drivers. l]
    More than enough weight fo small AZN man, I wonder how the new ACL will like that kind of thing ?
    Lee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know

  8. #33
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    Fat Skis: Is 120 waist and up worth it?

    “My skis are heavy” cry me a fucking river. All you people bitching about heavy inbound skis are the fucking reason our inbound charger selection suuucks right now. Ffs. I even like my inbounds pow skis on the heavy side to bust through the shit. The one and only place a heavy inbounds ski sucks is hanging from a lift if not equipped with a foot rest, other then that they rule. Fucking weakling beaters.....
    Fight me! Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2FUNKY View Post
    “My skis are heavy” cry me a fucking river. All you people bitching about heavy inbound skis are the fucking reason our inbound charger selection suuucks right now. Ffs. I even like my inbounds pow skis on the heavy side to bust through the shit. The one and only place a heavy inbounds ski sucks is hanging from a lift if not equipped with a foot rest, other then that they rule. Fucking weakling beaters.....
    Fight me! Lol
    I’m not complaining, most of my skis have two sheets of metal and are heavy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn View Post
    I’m not complaining, most of my skis have two sheets of metal and are heavy.


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    Yeah me either lol. Even my touring skis are heavy for what they are. I love metal.

  11. #36
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    Some days you do need fat skis, just sayin’


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    I need to go to Utah.
    Utah?
    Yeah, Utah. It's wedged in between Wyoming and Nevada. You've seen pictures of it, right?

    So after 15 years we finally made it to Utah.....


    Thanks BCSAR and POWMOW Ski Patrol for rescues

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2FUNKY View Post
    “My skis are heavy” cry me a fucking river. All you people bitching about heavy inbound skis are the fucking reason our inbound charger selection suuucks right now. Ffs. I even like my inbounds pow skis on the heavy side to bust through the shit. The one and only place a heavy inbounds ski sucks is hanging from a lift if not equipped with a foot rest, other then that they rule. Fucking weakling beaters.....
    Fight me! Lol
    ooooh can I drink your bathwater ?
    Lee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know

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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    ooooh can I drink your bathwater ?
    You'll have to go to him for it. Americans aren't allowed in Canada you know


    Tell us more about your 120s that aren't the same ski they were.

  14. #39
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    Quote Originally Posted by whyturn View Post
    Some days you do need fat skis, just sayin’


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    Love the stoke!

    My old sticks have served me well too. Click image for larger version. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by abraham View Post
    You'll have to go to him for it. Americans aren't allowed in Canada you know


    Tell us more about your 120s that aren't the same ski they were.
    DPS is selling the dentists something else nowdays
    Lee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmiepoison View Post
    Love the stoke!

    My old sticks have served me well too. Click image for larger version. 

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    Schweet stoke!!

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    Fat Skis: Is 120 waist and up worth it?

    On a whim I recently bought a pair of 2010 Liberty Double Helix 150-121-140 182 cm 24 m radius off craigslist for $120 with binders and in great shape. I figured I NEEDED something like that for the three days they might be worth having. Has anybody ridden these?

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    SFB might have mentioned this earlier in the thread but super fat skis are also very efficient when new snow fall is minimal. They give you that extra float to stay off the bottom especially if they’re a softer flexing ski. I’m all about renegades for true pow days but a soft flexing fatty makes 6” days way better, I bought wet 118s specifically for this and they turned out to be awesome skis in many more conditions . Fatties also make upside down snow ski way easier. For example, Praxis pow boards can turn upside down into hero conditions.


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    Aren’t those Czars basically comp skis from 8-10 years ago? Weren’t they Cody’s answer for Salomon bringing a hard charger to the table?

    If they are stiff, with traditional camber and tip rocker, you should definitely try another genre for new snow.

    You could go in two directions and benefit from both, IMO.

    A soft fatty with minimal camber and tip/tail rocker would definitely show you something new.

    A reverse camber and stiff fatty would also show you something new. And maybe even shelve the czar.

    It’s hard to imagine a scenario where the Czar would out-perform a Renegade in northern Idaho aside from mashing crud.

    The Ren is likely looser but also likely still has the tail you seek for going straight.

    Gonna miss that 45m radius, though.

    Buy a Ren and go all in. Keep the Czar for crud and low tide.

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    So you are saying I need two new pairs of fat skis?

    But yes, the Czars are fairly stiff with a rocker/camber profile. I think mine are the 2012 model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmiepoison View Post
    So you are saying I need two new pairs of fat skis?

    But yes, the Czars are fairly stiff with a rocker/camber profile. I think mine are the 2012 model.
    Yes. Renegades and something softer

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaijin View Post
    Aren’t those Czars basically comp skis from 8-10 years ago? Weren’t they Cody’s answer for Salomon bringing a hard charger to the table?

    If they are stiff, with traditional camber and tip rocker, you should definitely try another genre for new snow.

    You could go in two directions and benefit from both, IMO.

    A soft fatty with minimal camber and tip/tail rocker would definitely show you something new.

    A reverse camber and stiff fatty would also show you something new. And maybe even shelve the czar.

    It’s hard to imagine a scenario where the Czar would out-perform a Renegade in northern Idaho aside from mashing crud.

    The Ren is likely looser but also likely still has the tail you seek for going straight.

    Gonna miss that 45m radius, though.

    Buy a Ren and go all in. Keep the Czar for crud and low tide.
    The Salomon comp ski was the El Dictator. It was flat underfoot with tip and tail rocker.

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    Am I the only one who thinks this is troll bait? Member since 2008 asking about fat skis on TGR?

    Well played, sir.

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    I mean a guy could do this on 110 waist skis but why if you don’t have to.
    a positive attitude will not solve all of your problems, but it may annoy enough people to make it worth the effort

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