Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[Cono Este]

What else could go wrong?


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9438446.html


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[muted]

To all of you wondering about sticking CV19 up your ass to gain immunity, here's your list of vaccines in preclinical or Ph1 trials. Note that none involve live CV19 let alone sticking it up your ass.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.105...ed_coronavirus

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I think I missed the 'butt chugging COVID' talk here, what a shame.

[The AD]

Some promising data in Washington State. Both confirmed cases and deaths have been decreasing over the last few days.




Data from https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/Coronavirus

[plugboots]

Here's what I don't get. They're telling us that the Covid is big droplets that fall out of the air, land on surfaces, we touch the surfaces and get the virus, which can last on some surfaces for several days. We don't need masks because it's not aerosolized so we're not directly breathing it in.

This is where it would make sense for everybody to assume they are infected and wear masks so that they won’t infect other people.

[The AD]

This is where it would make sense for everybody to assume they are infected and wear masks so that they won’t infect other people.

My wife and I went out for a walk around town on Sunday and we were the only people I saw wearing masks. Yeah, I get that people want to get some fresh air, but why risk it?

[bodywhomper]

I think I missed the 'butt chugging COVID' talk here, what a shame.

I’m pretty disappointed.....

Read this morning that Germany will be proceeding with antibody testing. If the testing is successful, peeps will get certified and get back to work.... I hope it works.

#themound.

[MultiVerse]

There appears to be sufficient evidence to conclude the curve in New York City is flattening. The report linked below sets forth the evidence for–and against–this preliminary but potentially important conclusion.

This does not mean that the epidemic has reached its peak in New York City. That will happen when the incidence of new infections clearly drops. Still, the leveling off of the incidence curve is a key early indicator that something favorable is happening. The question for economists, public health practitioners and policy makers is: what’s making the curve flatten?

Alternative theories to flattening:

• Supply Constraints on Testing
• We Need to Break Down the Data by Borough
• We’re Missing All the Asymptomatic Cases
• The Leaky City
• The Rapid Initial Upswing Is an Artifact of Increased Testing
• Heterogeneous Mixing or Super-Spreaders

If the flattening of the curve is real, what's the explanation:

• Social distancing measures reduce transmission
• People voluntarily engage in avoidance behaviors once they understand the risk
• People take action to reduce risk after personally coming in contact with infected individuals

The takeaway: If social distancing policies had been put in place just one week earlier, we might now be fretting about hundreds rather than thousands of newly reported infections daily. When it comes to our response, yesterday is better than today, which is better than tomorrow.

https://poseidon01.ssrn.com/delivery...007022&EXT=pdf

[bmg97]

I have used chiro's in the past but only if something fucks up never for maintenance

but lately the physio has been fixing stuff the chiro couldn't fix

and as for maintenance ... yoga

I have been using them for lile 20 years and ually only go until I feel better. This one doesnt always adjust, most of the time its a stim and massage. I have never felt better. As for yoga, not sure its for me. I dont flex

[gretch6364]

As for yoga, not sure its for me. I dont flex

This may have something to do with you not doing yoga.

Mainly because we're not awesome at manufacturing shit any more.

I have to disagree with this. There are a lot of things we still manufacture and do it better then they can in China. However, it is mostly high precision items that require highly trained individuals. Also, automobiles.

Labor prices are the primary driver. Average labor wage in China is $3.60. It is $2.60 in Mexico. I am not sure with our current cost of living how we could compete with that...other then making $2,500 washing machines. It is a vicious cycle. If we try and move toward more durable goods and higher quality items, it will cost us more. We either have to lower the cost of living, or change our consumer mentality. Good luck with either of those.

[old goat]

We have drive thru at the CVS near here, I'm all about that shit. No need to go in there, thanks.

They need a drive-thru at the weed store now.

There appears to be sufficient evidence to conclude the curve in New York City is flattening. The report linked below sets forth the evidence for–and against–this preliminary but potentially important conclusion.

This does not mean that the epidemic has reached its peak in New York City. That will happen when the incidence of new infections clearly drops. Still, the leveling off of the incidence curve is a key early indicator that something favorable is happening. The question for economists, public health practitioners and policy makers is: what’s making the curve flatten?

Alternative theories to flattening:

• Supply Constraints on Testing
• We Need to Break Down the Data by Borough
• We’re Missing All the Asymptomatic Cases
• The Leaky City
• The Rapid Initial Upswing Is an Artifact of Increased Testing
• Heterogeneous Mixing or Super-Spreaders

If the flattening of the curve is real, what's the explanation:

• Social distancing measures reduce transmission
• People voluntarily engage in avoidance behaviors once they understand the risk
• People take action to reduce risk after personally coming in contact with infected individuals

The takeaway: If social distancing policies had been put in place just one week earlier, we might now be fretting about hundreds rather than thousands of newly reported infections daily. When it comes to our response, yesterday is better than today, which is better than tomorrow.

https://poseidon01.ssrn.com/delivery...007022&EXT=pdf

You don't buy my hypothesis that only a fraction of the population is susceptible? Has this ever been observed with any other virus, or is every virus that can infect humans infect all humans (other than those who have acquired antibodies)? I know it's far fetched, but possible?

[Benny Profane]

This may have something to do with you not doing yoga.



I have to disagree with this. There are a lot of things we still manufacture and do it better then they can in China. However, it is mostly high precision items that require highly trained individuals. Also, automobiles.

Labor prices are the primary driver. Average labor wage in China is $3.60. It is $2.60 in Mexico. I am not sure with our current cost of living how we could compete with that...other then making $2,500 washing machines. It is a vicious cycle. If we try and move toward more durable goods and higher quality items, it will cost us more. We either have to lower the cost of living, or change our consumer mentality. Good luck with either of those.

That's pretty much what Chapelle was saying in a funnier way.

[MultiVerse]

You don't buy my hypothesis that only a fraction of the population is susceptible? Has this ever been observed with any other virus, or is every virus that can infect humans infect all humans (other than those who have acquired antibodies)? I know it's far fetched, but possible?

Maybe, but the SARS-CoV-2 viral entryway is the angiotensin-converting enzyme 2, or ACE2 receptor. That's a universal human biological component. The virus has a spike protein that uses the ACE2 receptor to gain entry into the human body. Other viruses use different receptors so perhaps it's the case with other viral strains that there is a subset of susceptibility.

[LeeLau]

Some promising data in Washington State. Both confirmed cases and deaths have been decreasing over the last few days.

Data from https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/Coronavirus

Very favourable! Pulling for WA state!

[Bozo T. Clown]

This first 30 minutes of the virology podcast linked below features Daniel Griffin, MD, a New York doctor describing the situation on the ground.

Podcast:http://www.microbe.tv/twiv/

Yes!

Another plug for TWiV.
“This Week in Virology”
The podcast has got to be some of the most informed reporting and discussion on coronavirus there is.

Hosts: Vincent Racaniello, Dickson Despommier, Alan Dove, Rich Condit, and Kathy Spindler
All PhDs: two current professors, two emeritus, one science writer.

And you can email them questions.
"Send your virology questions and comments to twiv@microbe.tv"

From an email,

"Powerful laser technology reveals normally invisible saliva droplets that are generated by speech and are able to transmit the virus that causes COVID-19."

This weeks questions included some from professors of medicine, MDs, PhDs, MD PhDs, someone who works for Genentech. Part of their shtick is that the hosts introduce themselves with the local weather. So for his question, Topper in Reno let them know, "32 F/ 0 C, slightly snowing. All the snow is coming after the pandemic closed the ski resorts.”

[iceman]

That's pretty much what Chapelle was saying in a funnier way.

Also, we're not better at building cars. What on earth would give someone that idea? We're better at building vehicles there's no market for anywhere else in the world, and that's about it. Hell, Ford -Ford!- gave up on building cars. Who's better than the Chinese? GM? Hm. Chrysler??

[huckbucket]

Maybe, but the SARS-CoV-2 viral entryway is the angiotensin-converting enzyme 2, or ACE2 receptor. That's a universal human biological component. The virus has a spike protein that uses the ACE2 receptor to gain entry into the human body. Other viruses use different receptors so perhaps it's the case with other viral strains that there is a subset of susceptibility.

^^
Knows his shit ...


Plus ... stop smoking now and you can potentially reduce your immediate risk (and no they didn't look at weed AFAICT)

https://twitter.com/JSheltzer/status...15018627883011

[Bozo T. Clown]

These people predicted it in 2015:



https://microbiology.utmb.edu/facult...-menachery-phd
https://twitter.com/TheMenacheryLab



https://sph.unc.edu/adv_profile/lisa-gralinski-phd/
https://twitter.com/lisagralinski

“A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence”
https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985

15 coauthors. Ten from the University of North Carolina, one from the FDA, one from ETH Zurich, one from Harvard, and two from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

Their warning in January,
Return of the Coronavirus: 2019-nCoV
https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/12/2/135/htm

[huckbucket]

"9,298 new cases in New York State since yesterday
5,686 new cases in New York City
In part this seems to be due to more testing: 18,645 tested yesterday vs. 14K-16K on several recent days
But also, % testing positive is up: 49.8% of tests were positive yesterday"

Saw the above online and I cannot verify the source although this site suggests that 30% of all tested in NY historically are positive.
https://covidtracking.com/data/state/new-york/#history

Still only symptomatic people being tested. Da FUQ!?!?

[huckbucket]

Italy ... nice trend showing a decrease in the rate of new daily cases. Death rate remains high and will lag the daily rate of increase by a week or two.

[Benny Profane]

This is pretty much why we should just let Las Vegas rot after all this.

Las Vegas and Coronavirus: Homeless People Placed in a Parking Lot https://nyti.ms/3dLt4Gq

"The casinos are deserted and thousands of hotel rooms are empty. But when Las Vegas, gripped by the coronavirus, needed space for a temporary homeless shelter, officials chose a location that does not have walls, or even a roof: an outdoor parking lot.

The City of Las Vegas and Clark County on Saturday opened the shelter, on the upper floor of a convention center parking lot, after the temporary closure of a 500-person homeless shelter run by Catholic Charities after a homeless man there tested positive for the coronavirus.

Medical students from Touro University, wearing protective gear, have been tasked with screening each homeless person for coronavirus symptoms before they enter the parking area, which has been partly covered with blue mats and closed off by metal barriers. The “shelter” will remain open until Friday, when the Catholic Charities shelter is expected to reopen, according to a joint statement by the city and county."

[splat]

11 million people in Wuhan. 60 million in Hubei. No shipments for months. People die regardless of coronavirus. where ya gonna put the ashes?

This doesn't debunk your theory but it does present a counterpoint. Consider it, and the fact that every internet loon on earth thinks you're right, as you ponder.

What/who is this in response to, Ice? Cono Este?

[Ottime]

Are you sure those are now growlers? Wuhan Brewery makes a killer DIPA. Maybe they are exporting again.

Reportedly, this is a real picture of way more urns than Wuhan should actually need given their previous death rate numbers.
Getting shipments of 5000 urns multiples times equals more than the number of dead reported.
Screen grabbed from a Chinese news source.
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Feel free to debunk.

[ncskier]

This may have something to do with you not doing yoga.



I have to disagree with this. There are a lot of things we still manufacture and do it better then they can in China. However, it is mostly high precision items that require highly trained individuals. Also, automobiles.

Labor prices are the primary driver. Average labor wage in China is $3.60. It is $2.60 in Mexico. I am not sure with our current cost of living how we could compete with that...other then making $2,500 washing machines. It is a vicious cycle. If we try and move toward more durable goods and higher quality items, it will cost us more. We either have to lower the cost of living, or change our consumer mentality. Good luck with either of those.

Kind of sort of not true. The main driver is corporate profits. Period. You still throw down $600 for an arcteryx jacket even thought it’s made for $40 in China. You could still sell it for $600 even it it cost $100 to make. However that brand has been flipped and sold so many times by PE that It’s debt load was ridiculous. Same with washing machines. Whirlpool is made in America and cost the same as ge, which is haeir and now made in China. Margin on ge is probably higher.
We are ok with Nike and under armor giving athletes contracts for tens of millions and executives 10 of millions but seldom are those cost savings passed on to the consumer. Maybe cheap stuff like old navy but many high quality durable goods we waste money on like coolers, reels, skis outerwear etc can be made domestically. Germany is a an example of this

[Ottime]

You'll change your mind when you see a 2500 dollar price tag on a washing machine.

That would not be horrible if the thing lasted more than three years with out complete failure of its electronics like the $750 machine currently being made.

[SkiBall]

I have been using them for lile 20 years and ually only go until I feel better. This one doesnt always adjust, most of the time its a stim and massage. I have never felt better. As for yoga, not sure its for me. I dont flex

This may have something to do with you not doing yoga.
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Semi-joked with the wife that I needed to limber up before starting yoga.

Yoga has been a game changer. Not great at it, but have gotten much better and it helps a ton. Wish I started it 20 years ago.