Who Has the Burliest Dynafit Setup?

[pechelman]

damn LPs with comforts.
ive heard from UAN that with the stiffer skis it can be a little painful to ski them with the dynafit bindings because they trasmit a lot more energry and vibe to your feet.

any comments about that?

[leBig]

A better "sense of snow" with Comforts than with Diamirs, maybe it depends on the snow conditions and skiing style. I'm more finesse skier so no pain so far... and I also like that LP is not so stiff ski as some other skis like old Atomic BD, Volkl G4, Blizzard Titan Pro etc...

[upallnight]

damn LPs with comforts.
ive heard from UAN that with the stiffer skis it can be a little painful to ski them with the dynafit bindings because they trasmit a lot more energry and vibe to your feet.

any comments about that?

i was gone for a minute...

yeah...just to clarify, that feeling occurs with dynafits + stiff skis (particularly torsionally-stiff skis) on hardpack/firm/icy conditions. it results in more foot fatigue, in my experience -- and the fatigue is not present with softer skis or different bindings (eg fritschis).

definitely solid boot-binding-snow interface, and the control is there...but i find equal strength/control with other combos that are not as intense on the feet.

just my $0.02.

[pechelman]

burliest?
not by far. but its pretty damned solid

182 VCTs / Comforts / Freeride Aeros

[bsutro36]

I have a pair of dalbello freeride tongues that I can part with

[half-fast]

I have a pair of dalbello freeride tongues that I can part with

I'm interested in the tongues (that sounds weird)

[Damian Sanders]

Bump....anyone ever put dynafit inserts into a pair of flexons??? Eh?

[Core Shot]

I have an extra pair of LP XXL
Should I put dynafits on them to save weight while skinning?

[Damian Sanders]

I have an extra pair of LP XXL
Should I put dynafits on them to save weight while skinning?

ROFL.....why the hell not???

I was thinking of:

- Flexon's with race tounges and thermoflexes
- Dynafits
- 195 AK Launchers

Already have the launchers and multiple pairs of flexon shells. Thing is, the launchers aren't exactly light even though they don't have metal, around 9 lb or so per pair, plus the flexons are around 7.5 lb in my size. I guess that keeps me at around 20lb after the dynafits and skins. I've got a super-trekker + salomon 957 composite setup right now, and am mainly focused on having a setup that skis almost exactly like an alpine setup, so most touring boots, feather weight skis, and freerides/naxos aren't going to cut it.

Going to dynafits could drop 3-4 lb, and it should have a minimal effect on how the setup skis, which I like already.

Reality check, please. Is this worth it??? Thanks.

[byates1]

FFF's + dynafits+ spirit 4's= awesome

[laseranimal]

debating the merits of Classics + Powspatiplus's and modified TLT 700's

[pechelman]

Reality check, please.

damian sanders + dynafits = does not compute

theyre not all metal
theyre not race stock
they dont have toe wing or toe height adjustment settings so you can excessively preload them to keep you attached in your super gnar extrsr34m skiing

seriously though

dynafits + launches makes somewhat sense
but you really dont need that stiff of a boot
of course if theyre 7.5lbs a pair, then theyre pretty light and would be fine if you didnt mind the lack of walk mode.

7.5lbs each, and well, go buy an AT boot.

why wont naxos or freerides "cut-it"?
is it just a weight issue youre concerned with or a retention issue? (or something else)

[Dromond]

debating the merits of Classics + Powspatiplus's and modified TLT 700's

Insanity!! I think the freerides you have on there already are borderline insanity. Those puppies are heavy and not just a little bit.

[laseranimal]

Insanity!! I think the freerides you have on there already are borderline insanity. Those puppies are heavy and not just a little bit.

forgot the there's NO way I'd be able to ski them with 3 buckle TLT 700's

thinking about putting mojo 15's on them to allow me to move the freerides to another ski

given the fact that the main goal of K-marts new overlords appears to be slashing costs and increasing margins, my guess is that there are going to be a bunch of days where they're not going to run some major lifts. Which means I need freerides or dukes if I'm gonna go get the good stuff

[Damian Sanders]

damian sanders + dynafits = does not compute

theyre not all metal
theyre not race stock
they dont have toe wing or toe height adjustment settings so you can excessively preload them to keep you attached in your super gnar extrsr34m skiing

seriously though

dynafits + launches makes somewhat sense
but you really dont need that stiff of a boot
of course if theyre 7.5lbs a pair, then theyre pretty light and would be fine if you didnt mind the lack of walk mode.

7.5lbs each, and well, go buy an AT boot.

why wont naxos or freerides "cut-it"?
is it just a weight issue youre concerned with or a retention issue? (or something else)

I don't take your advice.

Anyone else???

[laseranimal]

i just don't get what you're trying to accomplish

The only reason I'd put dynafit inserts into Alpine boots is so you wouldn't have to @$!% around with multiple pairs of boots.

plus dynafits DON'T ski like an alpine setup

yes the boot to ski interface is great, better then any AT binding currently available. BUT you don't get the same release function since the toe doesn't independently release, you don't get the vibration dampening, you don't get a din over 10, and I'm not completely convinced that a dynafit binding is going to stand up to the abuses of daily lift served only skiing.

I think Dukes could possibly be the way to go, you'll get a reduction in weight and better tourability over your super-trekkers and salomons you keep a 16 din and get full release

Don't get me wrong, dynafits are great bindings, but I don't get what you're using them for

[pechelman]

take whosever advice you want, but its very simple

if you like the ski for the conditions you want to skin\tour to, then its a good choice to use as an AT ski. At 4.5'ish lbs each, its not *that* heavy that it would be kinda stupid to put on a dynafit binding. Right around 5ish lbs per ski Id start to look at someone a bit funny. The only thing I see being a slight annoyance is the fact thats its 195 in length which will make switch backs, bushwacking, and scrambling a bit more awkward, but if youre used to skis that size for touring, its a non-issue.

regarding the boots, common AT boots weigh in around 1600gm each, or right around 3.5-4lbs each. They have vibram and a walk mode as Im sure you know, which makes them much more tour\uphill friendly. However, if you are used to your flexons, they fit well, and dont mind the fact they lack the vibram\walk mode, then they would be a good option assuming theyre 7.5lbs/pr and not each. At 7.5lbs each, Id think they were lead filled, but I dont know what they weigh.

Also its worth mentioning that there are many AT boots at there that "cut-it" just fine in terms of downhill performance, whether thats stock or modified is what fits your needs.

it might still also help if you answered what you mean that fr or naxos wont "cut-it" in terms of skiing like an alpine rig. Is it the rentention or just torsional stiffness or something else?

it sounds like you want an alpine binding mounted on an adapter plate thats mounted on a hinge. (more or less)

edit: im also going to be that guy saying you dont need that stiff of a boot for touring, but im not going to bother going there too much cause youre a self-appointed ski-god-know-it-all

[pechelman]

iThe only reason I'd put dynafit inserts into Alpine boots is so you wouldn't have to @$!% around with multiple pairs of boots.

or you dont want to spend 250-500+ on a new pair of boots and fitting

and 2nd'd what youre saying about dynafits skiing great but not skiing\releasing like alpine bindings...of course ive never released (pre or otherwise) from them so I dont know for sure.

[laseranimal]

and 2nd'd what youre saying about dynafits skiing great but not skiing\releasing like alpine bindings...of course ive never released (pre or otherwise) from them so I dont know for sure.

I've had 2-3 heel prereleases which I traced back to my own improper setup of the "forward pressure" setting, and each time I was able to slam the heel back in before the toe released. I've also had two instances of the binding releasing when it was supposed to. Both times there's been a microsecond of tension before the toe let go, which is just long enough for you to think about. The release mechanism works, its just not anywhere near as smooth as my Mojo 15's. Its very similar to the feeling you get during a heel release if you have the toe wings cranked too tight on the old salomons.

[Damian Sanders]

take whosever advice you want, but its very simple

if you like the ski for the conditions you want to skin\tour to, then its a good choice to use as an AT ski. At 4.5'ish lbs each, its not *that* heavy that it would be kinda stupid to put on a dynafit binding. Right around 5ish lbs per ski Id start to look at someone a bit funny. The only thing I see being a slight annoyance is the fact thats its 195 in length which will make switch backs, bushwacking, and scrambling a bit more awkward, but if youre used to skis that size for touring, its a non-issue.

regarding the boots, common AT boots weigh in around 1600gm each, or right around 3.5-4lbs each. They have vibram and a walk mode as Im sure you know, which makes them much more tour\uphill friendly. However, if you are used to your flexons, they fit well, and dont mind the fact they lack the vibram\walk mode, then they would be a good option assuming theyre 7.5lbs/pr and not each. At 7.5lbs each, Id think they were lead filled, but I dont know what they weigh.

Also its worth mentioning that there are many AT boots at there that "cut-it" just fine in terms of downhill performance, whether thats stock or modified is what fits your needs.

it might still also help if you answered what you mean that fr or naxos wont "cut-it" in terms of skiing like an alpine rig. Is it the rentention or just torsional stiffness or something else?

it sounds like you want an alpine binding mounted on an adapter plate thats mounted on a hinge. (more or less)

edit: im also going to be that guy saying you dont need that stiff of a boot for touring, but im not going to bother going there too much cause youre a self-appointed ski-god-know-it-all

More reading, less spewing. Please stop, thanks.

[Damian Sanders]

For everybody else (even though I think the question was clear enough the first time):

Do you think it's worth it to deal with:

- The cost of dynafits
- The technical issues of putting the inserts on a pair of flexons

VS. the payoff of:

- Stiffness of how dynafits ski
- The low rise
- Normal ramp angle
- Toes that can be locked down (I don't want them to release, ever)
- Major weight savings
- Ease of use
- How well they tour

Already have/like the following:

- Already have light boots (flexons)
- Have stockpile of parts/shells/liners for them.
- Know how to fit and modify them
- Like how they ski
- Can walk in them
- Like how the Launchers ski and think they are a good choice to tour on for my needs and intended use.

I will mostly use these for touring in adverse conditions in the east coast when the resorts are closed. I have a super trekker setup that works good and can be used on almost any ski I have. I will probably tour 5-10 days next year out of a total of 50-70.

[pechelman]

beleive it or not, other people do read this forum, and for others with similar questions coming here, some of this might help them.

unfortunately, this forum doesnt revolve around you.

to answer your trade off question. yes, it is worth it to deal with those 2 things for the payoff.

[laseranimal]

text

in a word

NO

use something else

[pechelman]

in a word

NO

use something else

just curious why you dont think so

the cost isnt that much, especially with all the group buys

and the hassel of putting in inserts doesnt seem that bad if you can get your hands on them.

of course, telling him no does get him out of this thread.

[zion zig zag]

Just fyi, toes locked down doesn't mean will not release. I figure with the toes locked it's probably equal to about din 12.