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  1. #2076
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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    Very very nice.
    One of the hardest things in woodworking is to make a big panel flat. I've made a lot of curvy, carved pieces that are superficially impressive but the two hardest things I've made are a trestle dining room table and an extra large front door--especially since the pieces were too big to fit through any planer I had access to, which meant a lot of hand planing.
    There is a little cupping on one of the boards. Adds to the character. I love it. Seats 10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    Joining boards edge to edge is pretty simple. you have to have edges that are straight and 90 degrees from the faces--most easily accomplished with a jointer.. Just apply glue and clamp. Some people use biscuits in the joint to help line up the boards but not necessary for strength. The edge to edge joint is stronger than the wood itself. When I cut a glued up panel to length I take the cutoff and try to break it. It should break within one of the boards, not at the joint itself.
    Not for large slabs like that table
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    Quote Originally Posted by snoqpass View Post
    Not for large slabs like that table
    It's how I would have done it. Of course we are all professional woodworkers here, so opinions may vary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    Didn't build these but they are for the table. Attachment 307136

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    Quote Originally Posted by motopsycha View Post
    Mind sharing where you got the legs?
    Had a welder my brother in law knows do them for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snoqpass View Post
    Not for large slabs like that table
    Huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddy View Post
    ...It will provide food for mildew and turn black in a year.
    J, not to take umbrage with your rec, but my experience with linseed oil didn't yield mildew so quickly. Greying is typical after the second year with lots of exposure to the elements and why I mentioned bleaching as part of the maintenance. Most likely bi-annually

    In the living piece that CJS is installing, care and feeding for the wood in it's natural state would be more appealing imo instead of trapping behind varnish.

    I would wax the saw cuts before treating with oil and watch the piece mature with age as it checks and the tannin's leach to the surface.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snoqpass View Post
    Not for large slabs like that table
    I've glued up hundreds if not more wood blanks; up to 24'x6' in a hand built press. Back in the day, biscuits or doweling was done, but advancement in adhesives (expanding urethane) has made them unnecessary.

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    faux gilded 2" mahogany - cedar posts and finials
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    I know this isn't exactly the right thread, but it's shit i plan to do with my own two hands so i figured i'd ask about it.

    Any electrician mags in the house? We've got a new to us 7+acre off grid homestead, roughly 400x600' , 1/2 flat 1/2 hill, that we're planning on doing a small solar array on in the next year. Hillslope faces south, gets good sun year round, flat area where the house is, gets really filtered sun through the 200'+ ft old growth doug on the USFS land directly south of the plot. We're hoping to run power from a few panels up on the hill to our power shed on the compound where the charge controller would be, but unsure of how to wire it. We're not trying to put the inverter+batteries up on the hill. And we're not super worried about voltage drop for the run.

    charge controllers seem to max out at ~150v and 40a input, the panels we're looking at run ~40voc and 9a max, so we're thinking of 6 total, 2 sets in parrallel of 3 in series to get the most juice and voltage out of it. the run is ~500' total, but we're having trouble trying to figure out what size wire to use for safety/efficiency? voltage drop calculators tell us that 8ga @ 150v/20a for 500' is like 13%, does that seem reasonable? I'm not trying to drop $$$ on 1/0 to hit 2% efficiency

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gepeto View Post
    I've glued up hundreds if not more wood blanks; up to 24'x6' in a hand built press. Back in the day, biscuits or doweling was done, but advancement in adhesives (expanding urethane) has made them unnecessary.

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    faux gilded 2" mahogany - cedar posts and finials
    back in the day there were no biscuits or dowels : - )
    Beautiful work btw.

    This is a 96 x 30 trestle table I made. The table top is screwed to the trestle cross pieces through elongated holes to accommodate wood movement. The bread board ends are pegged to tenons, again through elongated holes. In the current dry humidity the table top is 1/8 in narrower than the breadboards--that's how much movement there is in the wood. The top is made of 3 cherry boards edge glued without dowels or biscuits. The boards were rough. The center is 12 in and I only have a 10 in planer so I had to surface it with hand planes, and then the whole top was flattened with hand planes. Too much work for me now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    back in the day there were no biscuits or dowels ��
    Beautiful work btw.
    But there were sliding dovetails.

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    Top held to sides with sliding dovetails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    back in the day there were no biscuits or dowels : - )
    Yeah, well I came on the scene after Methuselah /:~>



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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    How do I turn picture?
    crop a few pixels off one side

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gepeto View Post
    J, not to take umbrage with your rec, but my experience with linseed oil didn't yield mildew so quickly. Greying is typical after the second year with lots of exposure to the elements and why I mentioned bleaching as part of the maintenance. Most likely bi-annually

    In the living piece that CJS is installing, care and feeding for the wood in it's natural state would be more appealing imo instead of trapping behind varnish.

    I would wax the saw cuts before treating with oil and watch the piece mature with age as it checks and the tannin's leach to the surface.
    You certainly have a great deal of experience and expertise, so I respect your advice. Obviously, different techniques will yield different results. Varnish will insure that the wood will maintain it's current "new" appearance, and as you say, linseed oil will allow wood to age naturally. I like and use both, but find my clients tend to prefer the "fresh look".

    Old money likes the weathered/natural look and new money wants everything to look pristine and perfect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeardedClam View Post
    I know this isn't exactly the right thread, but it's shit i plan to do with my own two hands so i figured i'd ask about it.

    Any electrician mags in the house? We've got a new to us 7+acre off grid homestead, roughly 400x600' , 1/2 flat 1/2 hill, that we're planning on doing a small solar array on in the next year. Hillslope faces south, gets good sun year round, flat area where the house is, gets really filtered sun through the 200'+ ft old growth doug on the USFS land directly south of the plot. We're hoping to run power from a few panels up on the hill to our power shed on the compound where the charge controller would be, but unsure of how to wire it. We're not trying to put the inverter+batteries up on the hill. And we're not super worried about voltage drop for the run.

    charge controllers seem to max out at ~150v and 40a input, the panels we're looking at run ~40voc and 9a max, so we're thinking of 6 total, 2 sets in parrallel of 3 in series to get the most juice and voltage out of it. the run is ~500' total, but we're having trouble trying to figure out what size wire to use for safety/efficiency? voltage drop calculators tell us that 8ga @ 150v/20a for 500' is like 13%, does that seem reasonable? I'm not trying to drop $$$ on 1/0 to hit 2% efficiency
    13% Vd is Yuge. You either need fatter wire or a step up/step down tansformer setup. Bump it up to 600V, use skinny wire then drop it to 240 at your house. 600v is not as common in the USA as it is in Canada so you might get better pricing on 480V transformers. Do a bit of math and run some Vdrop calcs with different wire sizes at different voltages then do some more math with prices of equipment/wire. A 3kva tx at 600v will drop your current to about 5A. 3kva will be maxed out though, so I'd go minimum 5kva. Actually, I'd probably go with 10 kva because in my experience everyone always wants more after a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddy View Post
    You certainly have a great deal of experience and expertise, so I respect your advice. Obviously, different techniques will yield different results. Varnish will insure that the wood will maintain it's current "new" appearance, and as you say, linseed oil will allow wood to age naturally. I like and use both, but find my clients tend to prefer the "fresh look".

    Old money likes the weathered/natural look and new money wants everything to look pristine and perfect.
    yellowing occurs primarily from impurities in linseed oil ; you can reduce the yellowing by buying better refined linseed oil (more expensive - hardware blo is garbage). Better quality oil will also reduce mildewing. Outside of specialists and artists not sure anyone does though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    back in the day there were no biscuits or dowels : - )
    Beautiful work btw.

    This is a 96 x 30 trestle table I made. The table top is screwed to the trestle cross pieces through elongated holes to accommodate wood movement. The bread board ends are pegged to tenons, again through elongated holes. In the current dry humidity the table top is 1/8 in narrower than the breadboards--that's how much movement there is in the wood. The top is made of 3 cherry boards edge glued without dowels or biscuits. The boards were rough. The center is 12 in and I only have a 10 in planer so I had to surface it with hand planes, and then the whole top was flattened with hand planes. Too much work for me now.
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    I didn't want the end pieces. I prefer the full slab as is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    I didn't want the end pieces. I prefer the full slab as is.

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    I like your slab just like it is too. Didn't mean to suggest that bread board ends would be better. Bread board ends wouldn't go with the rough look you're going for. I just wanted to show a big glued up slab, done with some glue, a few clamps, and a lot of elbow grease.

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    You need to post a better picture than that OG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    I like your slab just like it is too. Didn't mean to suggest that bread board ends would be better. Bread board ends wouldn't go with the rough look you're going for. I just wanted to show a big glued up slab, done with some glue, a few clamps, and a lot of elbow grease.
    Oh didn't take offense at all. The table you posted is equally beautiful. It's fun stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neufox47 View Post
    You need to post a better picture than that OG.
    I should.

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    Man, this thread is humbling. I have some 2 x 8's in the back yard that I cut into the right dimensions for 1 6x2 and 3 1x3 raised beds this afternoon. I stained one side of all the wood tonight. I'll stain the other side tomorrow and then assemble. I'm not just nailing them together either. I'm going to use 2 inch deck screws and pre-drill so I don't get any splits. I was feeling quite jaunty about all that until I perused the last few pages of this thread on my way to bed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Mike View Post
    Man, this thread is humbling. I have some 2 x 8's in the back yard that I cut into the right dimensions for 1 6x2 and 3 1x3 raised beds this afternoon. I stained one side of all the wood tonight. I'll stain the other side tomorrow and then assemble. I'm not just nailing them together either. I'm going to use 2 inch deck screws and pre-drill so I don't get any splits. I was feeling quite jaunty about all that until I perused the last few pages of this thread on my way to bed.
    Your project sounds like a gateway drug--pretty soon you'll have $10,000 worth of woodworking tools in your garage. You may think it can't happen to you, but that's what I thought. And when it does happen to you just remember "Honey--think of all the money we're saving by me building this myself."

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    Your project sounds like a gateway drug--pretty soon you'll have $10,000 worth of woodworking tools in your garage. You may think it can't happen to you, but that's what I thought. And when it does happen to you just remember "Honey--think of all the money we're saving by me building this myself."
    it's gonna have to wait. Go to bed last night with a 10% chance of rain today and a deluge starting Sunday, so I knew I had to get my ass in gear today to get some things done. Rolled out at 6:45 to a steady rain that I didn't notice until I had exited the bedroom and check the forecast to see that the 10% has changed to 80%. Oh well, at least there's bowl games.

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