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  1. #7276
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    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    This isn't all that unreasonable to say. My business school finance professors were saying that the explosion of grown from about 1980 to then, 1998 was mostly just fueled by global demand and global markets and not reflected by assets or precious metals like gold reserves. Look at the long term history of the DOW. Is there really FIVE TIMES more tangible assets in the world today than there were in 1995? Are there really 2.5 times more tangible assets in the world than there were in 2,000?
    Every dip from the 1998 self off, until 2008 was a mistake. Pretty amazing that all those opportunities were wiped out in one blow. Same in real estate.

    My take is that we are up too god damn much in a short period of time. Anything positive was already baked in the last two yrs. trump tax cuts etc. and now were flirting with higher rates which would wipe out far more from balance sheets.


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    APPL traded at a 10 PE in 2012. It's 15 at the close today

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    Are there really 2.5 times more tangible assets in the world than there were in 2,000?
    Depends on what you mean by tangible, does Debt count as tangible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not bunion View Post
    Depends on what you mean by tangible, does Debt count as tangible?
    Does debt count as an asset (assuming it is yours)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4matic View Post
    APPL traded at a 10 PE in 2012. It's 15 at the close today
    That just sent me off to Google. I haven't paid any attention to the company since Jobs died...in 2011! Time flys. They've done ok without him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCMtnHound View Post
    Does debt count as an asset (assuming it is yours)?
    The assets you buy with the funds do, but the instrument itself a liability yo. Unless you're the issuer, which holds it as an asset.

  7. #7282
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bromontane View Post
    The assets you buy with the funds do, but the instrument itself a liability yo. Unless you're the issuer, which holds it as an asset.
    Umm then it's a tax break via write off for bad debt..
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    JPM is an overvalued chart. Risk to 80 or lower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4matic View Post
    JPM is an overvalued chart. Risk to 80 or lower.
    Stage 3 distribution, topping on wide range

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    Boy I'm glad I wasn't holding VLO anymore. Just recently it went from $120 to $76 today. A while back I had gotten in at $17 and out around 90. That didn't suck

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    Quote Originally Posted by splat View Post
    I know a few people on the verge of panic. Who's buying what?
    I'm looking to buy some term life. Dollar cost average if in the market. I did take a chunk of change out a few months back. Rather have some realized gains and sit on the side lines. I suspect there are some mutual fund managers out there wondering what to do.
    "We don't beat the reaper by living longer, we beat the reaper by living well and living fully." - Randy Pausch

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toadman View Post
    I suspect there are some mutual fund managers out there wondering what to do.
    Most mutual funds have to be fully invested by their charter. Not many can just go to cash.

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    Let's do some livin'
    After, we die

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    Is the stock market going to tank?

    Quote Originally Posted by 4matic View Post
    Most mutual funds have to be fully invested by their charter. Not many can just go to cash.
    Its also illegal for your average douche Advisor at Morgan to put you in cash and still pay himself. So what do you think they recommend?

    So basically finra is saying you can only buy, buy,buy!

    Thats not far from Chinese regulatory practices of no selling or death.




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    Futures up big time for Monday morning.... China stocks should be good for day n swing trades.... farm bill for weed stocks.

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    Yep, US/China sanctions all put on hold for 30 days. Things should take off tomorrow morning on that good news..
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    Hope some of you got in on cron and got some other the yummy aeti this mornin.... nbev too.great morning

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    Added more isrg around thanksgiving. Just a long long runway of growth and domination over the industry.
    Decisions Decisions

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    Does this convergent valuation seem odd to anyone else?

    As of Monday's close, Apple took the lead with a market cap of $877 billion. Amazon followed at $866 billion, then Microsoft with $860 billion.

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    They're getting ready to divide the world in thirds.

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    err, quarters. Can't forget google.

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    Interesting with the special closure tomorrow and the rest of the world trades. Good time for a currency and interest rate attack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    This isn't all that unreasonable to say. My business school finance professors were saying that the explosion of grown from about 1980 to then, 1998 was mostly just fueled by global demand and global markets and not reflected by assets or precious metals like gold reserves. Look at the long term history of the DOW. Is there really FIVE TIMES more tangible assets in the world today than there were in 1995? Are there really 2.5 times more tangible assets in the world than there were in 2,000?

    if i had any money....what would the experts here advise as how to take a short position for this peak?....specifically what would you buy? Are these option Puts ? on some stock , or shorting some index fund? Tell me the broker....but this is all hypothetical of course,
    i love to build the faux portfolios in Yahoo finance and see if i would have gotten rich or lost it all....

    lay it out for me
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    Where's Trump when you need a reassuring tweet, that this is all fake news and everything will be okay?
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