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  1. #15101
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4matic View Post
    3200 is pre pandemic high. Add average annualized at an optimistic 10% puts it around 3900. A decline to 3200 doesnít really affect the long term annualized gain that much. 1550 was the high in 1999 and didnít pass 1550 until 2012.
    x3

    Adding an individual stock as data. MSFT 2 years. I've now held MSFT for almost 13 years as a core holding. Dividends + covered calls returns 11% pa If your timeframe is shorter then this may not apply,

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    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    This is the (lack of) global confidence response to McTurtle, Sinema, and Manchin shutting down Build Back Better. Trillions of dollars worth of business over the next decade shot to shit just for their shits and giggles..
    Nah. It also means no tax increases. Trillions of dollars for buybacks and profit margin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    This is the (lack of) global confidence response to McTurtle, Sinema, and Manchin shutting down Build Back Better. Trillions of dollars worth of business over the next decade shot to shit just for their shits and giggles..
    No, this is a natural result of the expectation that interest rates will rise, so institutional investors are de-leveraging a bit. It's healthy to let air out and raise rates.

    The alternative is inflation, which is a massively regressive tax on the poor.

    Adding an additional 2 trillion in spending at a time when the economy is running at 7% inflation would have added to inflation.

    IMHO, if we want things like electric car tax credits, universal preschool or additional child tax credits, we should pay for them by generating revenue through taxation and not money printing.

    Also, IMHO we should stop incentivizing population growth. We don't need more people on this earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevo View Post
    <snip>

    Also, IMHO we should stop incentivizing population growth. We don't need more people on this earth.
    There are a *lot* of things we should stop incentivizing... but, you know... growth.

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    Is the stock market going to tank?

    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    This is the (lack of) global confidence response to McTurtle, Sinema, and Manchin shutting down Build Back Better. Trillions of dollars worth of business over the next decade shot to shit just for their shits and giggles..
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    Insane day today. 4% swing in the last 4 hours of the day. WTF was that? Was the federal reserve pumping money in?

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    Iím happy to see rates act inversely to stocks. Ideal would be a 2% 10y and a back and fill stock market holding the low.

    Girlfriend was furiously buying stocks this morning: JPM, IBM, GM, F. Crushed it.

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    I think the number of retail investors entering the market in the last couple years is an influence on the increased volatility too.
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    A lot of today might have related to options settlement.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevo View Post
    Insane day today. 4% swing in the last 4 hours of the day. WTF was that? Was the federal reserve pumping money in?
    https://twitter.com/EricBalchunas/st...kaoEeC_Pw&s=19

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    I can live with how the day went. That was fun
    Own your fail. ~Jer~

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    Yeeha!

    Still watching the pathetic TGR echo chamber

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    degens, the lot of you!
    Live each season as it passes; breathe the air, drink the drink, taste the fruit, and resign yourself to the influences of each.
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    You see, just turn the fucking TV and internet off, and it's as though it never happened.

    Still watching the pathetic TGR echo chamber

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4matic View Post
    Nah. It also means no tax increases. Trillions of dollars for buybacks and profit margin.
    There are a lot of DJIA and NASDEQ companies who stand to lose bigly if those stimulus projects don't actually happen. You can bet that's a factor in this uncertainty and loss of confidence. Ya, interest rates are the prime factor (pun intended), but when companies lose big projects and start laying people off shit cascades. Propping it up with artificially low interest rates isn't really any better than printing some money while working towards finally getting the top 10% to pay their fair share of taxes to fund this recoery..
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    Iíve been holding out cash for the past few months and decided this morning to jump into Apple, Microsoft, Disney and ARKK. The last few hours made me feel smart. Weíll see how smart I look in a few months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alias_rice View Post
    I’ve been holding out cash for the past few months and decided this morning to jump into Apple, Microsoft, Disney and ARKK. The last few hours made me feel smart. We’ll see how smart I look in a few months.
    Today was interesting.
    I was just pissed I had just spent a good sum of money on a nice gift for my sister and bil. I wanted it back to buy this morning!
    It’s about the longer term but getting a chance to jump into the low side of today was fun
    Own your fail. ~Jer~

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    Record option volume again yesterday

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    Really tempted by RIVN at these prices. No idea why XOM is holding up, but I am not complaining.

    Everyone is a genius during a bull market, so let's see where the smart money is going.
    "We don't beat the reaper by living longer, we beat the reaper by living well and living fully." - Randy Pausch

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    Bought some VIX puts exp weekly. On the outside chance Fed goes bullish on Weds

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toadman View Post
    Really tempted by RIVN at these prices..
    Why is the price tempting? does it deserve a $54b market cap?

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    Well I started the process of reorg. Sold some gme and bought some arkk and arkx... will probably continue this week if gme price holds up.
    Live each season as it passes; breathe the air, drink the drink, taste the fruit, and resign yourself to the influences of each.
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    I'm also thinking about some other stocks I have:
    1) Coinbase - why do I have this if it's already in arkk? Maybe it has enough volatility to swing trade?
    2) Baba - does this give me some good international exposure? Good for long term hold?
    3) Intc - is this a blue chip? can it perform at some point? Good for long term hold?
    Live each season as it passes; breathe the air, drink the drink, taste the fruit, and resign yourself to the influences of each.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shera View Post
    I'm also thinking about some other stocks I have:
    1) Coinbase - why do I have this if it's already in arkk? Maybe it has enough volatility to swing trade?
    2) Baba - does this give me some good international exposure? Good for long term hold?
    3) Intc - is this a blue chip? can it perform at some point? Good for long term hold?
    I like stocks like BABA and INTC because Wall Street pretty much hates them. Like XOM two years ago.

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