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  1. #8176
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    Fruit? Stick to the money trees.

  2. #8177
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    Quote Originally Posted by VTeton View Post
    I'm long amzn and have wanted to short tsla for a while, time to jump in?

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    I think shorting Tesla now makes sense after such a parabolic move. Buy long dated puts

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    Let's do some livin'
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    30y Treasury yield @1.89% absolutely collapsed today in face of strong dollar. Dollar led the move as currency always proceeds a big move in rates.

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    I would say it's time to think about buying but christ on crutches.
    "Can't you see..."

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    13,000 Missing Flights: The Global Consequences of the Coronavirus https://nyti.ms/3bVBs5j

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  8. #8183
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    it's funny all the co's say, "we pre-bought before the chinese new yr* so we're fine for now and the majority of our manufacturing has reopened"
    but maybe that's one person coming into the factory and calling it "reopened"

    *thank christ on crutches they did, bc otherwise co's wd be more f*cked
    that is my favorite new saying.
    skid luxury

  9. #8184
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    It’s always sunny on Wall Street.

    A gap down on Monday will likely bring test of 3300. If that holds de cline could be over. March expiration might have some fireworks one way or the other.

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    Gap down 1%+ to 3300 on the Sunday open. It kinda has to hold here on the close tomorrow or 3220 is next stop.

  11. #8186
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4matic View Post
    It’s always sunny on Wall Street.
    So far, Wall Street has been operating under the assumption the Fed will step in to counter any slowdown from China.

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    How would they do that?

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  13. #8188
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    The Fed could lower interest rates (say ~50 basis points) and continue with quantitative easing. The yield curve has once again inverted (3m/10y) and so Markets might expect the Fed to respond the same way it did last March, the last time the yield curve inverted.

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    Nasdaq futures are down 5% from their all time high last week.

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    Black Swan Virus
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    skiing is hiking all day so that you can ski on shitty gear for 5 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MultiVerse View Post
    The Fed could lower interest rates (say ~50 basis points) and continue with quantitative easing. The yield curve has once again inverted (3m/10y) and so Markets might expect the Fed to respond the same way it did last March, the last time the yield curve inverted.
    Dude, been there done that. Still there. Drop rates to what?

    We just gave rich people and corporations a massive tax break? How'd that work out for reinvestment and stimulation?

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  17. #8192
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    Already at 3240. If 3200 doesn't hold next stop 3000. No big deal on the daily/weekly chart.

    I went 100% bond etf in October 2018. I missed the chance to buy equity last December but in spite of that bonds are killing it for me.
    10y going to zero.

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    Dow and S&P down almost 3%. Yeehaw.

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    Long, long over due.

    Knock another 20% off if Sanders becomes the nominee.

    Then if Trump has nothing left to stand on, another 10% as Bernie becomes a real contender.

    Then another 20% if he wins.

    Maybe more.

    Good bye cruel world.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Dude, been there done that. Still there. Drop rates to what?

    We just gave rich people and corporations a massive tax break? How'd that work out for reinvestment and stimulation?
    If you’re asking me for my opinion then I’d say we should have engaged in more countercyclical policy rather than the current administrations procyclical policy because of situations like the one we’re experiencing now.

    But, to answer your questions:

    1) As long as investors want to exchange financial assets for Fed account credits (which they’re already signally they do) then the Fed has plenty of ammunition to go along with a rate drop in March. Fed policy cannot fix a supply shock for parts of the economy directly affected by an epidemic but they can make the problem worse by not responding quickly and allowing unaffected parts of the economy to slow as well.

    2) In addition to the tax breaks, there has been massive Keynesian levels of federal fiscal spending which has contributed to the US’s first decade plus expansion.


    For weeks markets were complacent about Covid-19 and now maybe they're too afraid. Who knows? Markets are in some sense always wrong because even the best guess about the future is never exactly how things turn out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cono Este View Post
    Long, long over due.

    Knock another 20% off if Sanders becomes the nominee.

    Then if Trump has nothing left to stand on, another 10% as Bernie becomes a real contender.

    Then another 20% if he wins.

    Maybe more.

    Good bye cruel world.




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    Wait, wait. I've heard this before. Hmmmm. Oh yeah, 2016! Trump will destroy your 401k!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Dude, been there done that. Still there. Drop rates to what?
    OTOH, as we've discussed before, where else can all that money go? There's nowhere else to get returns.

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    Wait, wait. I've heard this before. Hmmmm. Oh yeah, 2016! Trump will destroy your 401k!
    Yeah, see above. You can't just walk away when you're painted into a corner.

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    Yeah, buying on discount in a few days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Wait, wait. I've heard this before. Hmmmm. Oh yeah, 2016! Trump will destroy your 401k!
    The verdict is not quite out on that yet...
    Forum Cross Pollinator

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    damn....boyz

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