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  1. #10276
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    Saw this tidbit this morning

    The Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security (CARES) Act was signed into law by President Trump on March 27. Companies that borrow from the federal government will be unable to pay dividends for a year after the loans have been repaid in full.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Striker View Post
    Saw this tidbit this morning
    The Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security (CARES) Act was signed into law by President Trump on March 27. Companies that borrow from the federal government will be unable to pay dividends for a year after the loans have been repaid in full.
    Sorta. CARES Act loan borrowers cannot issue dividends or make other capital distributions "with respect to common stock" until loan is fully paid and for 12 months thereafter. The provision is in the same section that prohibits share buybacks (of borrower or borrower's subsidiaries) until loan is paid and for 12 months thereafter. The requirements must appear in the loan documents.

    Restrictions for pass-thru entities (e.g., sub-S corps or LLCs) are more flexible and subject to negotiation in the loan documents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neufox47 View Post
    Landlords are the last people who should ever get help. The asset is still there, who gives a shit if they have to sell it at a loss or the banks take it .
    So all the landlord sell their rental properties and then what d****** where are all the tenants going to live are they suddenly going to be able to buy with their f*****-up credit?
    Quote Originally Posted by leroy jenkins View Post
    I think you'd have an easier time understanding people if you remembered that 80% of them are fucking morons.
    That is why I like dogs, more than most people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the propagandist formerly monikered brostoyevski View Post
    If the Cheeto in Charge had understood Keynes - the US would be In A far better place to weather the storm. Instead it was full gas, deficits, tax relief, pressure to lower interest rates when the economy was already ticking along at basically full employment. Interest rates now have no where to go, the unemployed donít pay taxes, can only safely print so much cash.


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    What do you all expect to happen to REITs over the next few months? Many commercial and residentials are not going to pay rent, one way or another, over the next 6 months. The value of the underlying assets are going to suffer.
    What's the play?
    another Handsome Boy graduate

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    This is worth a perusal.

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/fi...of2&yptr=yahoo

    “The murmurs from Moscow, Washington and Riyadh don’t seem to be hopeful as of yet, and the COVID19 pandemic seems likely to kill over 25 [million barrels a day of oil] demand for at least a couple of weeks—meaning an unused amount of oil on the order of 300 million barrels,” he told MarketWatch. “It would take over three quarter of a million barrels a day inventory draw to remove that overhang from the market.”
    "We don't beat the reaper by living longer, we beat the reaper by living well and living fully." - Randy Pausch

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    Quote Originally Posted by LHutz Esq View Post
    If the Cheeto in Charge had understood Keynes - the US would be In A far better place to weather the storm. Instead it was full gas, deficits, tax relief, pressure to lower interest rates when the economy was already ticking along at basically full employment. Interest rates now have no where to go, the unemployed donít pay taxes, can only safely print so much cash.
    Yeah that is pretty basic Econ 101. I think he actually does understand it but doesn't give a fuck.

    Oddly I'm finding today's 400 point drop reassuring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harvey44 View Post
    Yeah that is pretty basic Econ 101. I think he actually does understand it but doesn't give a fuck.

    Oddly I'm finding today's 400 point drop reassuring.
    next resistance is 2700, but has failed to get over 2630 three days in a row; that may be it for the relief rally. with gas at $20 and all job stories are layoffs and shutdowns; continuing to rally doesn't seem likely.
    Eat em up Houston Cougars !

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    Is the reason for the crazy sharp correction the internet age? Idk wtf is going on but looks gnarly


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    Quote Originally Posted by LHutz Esq View Post
    If the Cheeto in Charge had understood Keynes - the US would be In A far better place to weather the storm. Instead it was full gas, deficits, tax relief, pressure to lower interest rates when the economy was already ticking along at basically full employment. Interest rates now have no where to go, the unemployed don’t pay taxes, can only safely print so much cash.
    The big lie of Keynesian policy is to, wink wink, be responsible with the fiscal dollar over the long haul. In practice, it's just ballooning deficits, job programs & cost pressures set against a backdrop of deteriorating productivity & export fitness. Aside from the tax grift, Trump is very Keynesian.

    Quote Originally Posted by Platinum Pete View Post
    What do you all expect to happen to REITs over the next few months? Many commercial and residentials are not going to pay rent, one way or another, over the next 6 months. The value of the underlying assets are going to suffer.
    What's the play?
    Some sold off as much as 70% already in the last wave of selling. Especially the apartment/residential stuff. Data center REITs strong like bull, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowboybb View Post
    Is the reason for the crazy sharp correction the internet age? Idk wtf is going on but looks gnarly


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    internet and computer age. most buying and selling is done by computers; the average person selling because it dropped 1000 points doesn't add up to much; just too few people vs. sales done by computers today.
    Eat em up Houston Cougars !

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    hahahaha....haha.....ha.....oh man yeah we r fcked

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    Trump tonight talking about his wishes for a 2 trillion dollar infrastructure bill, which both Republicans and Dems are working on at about 750 billion.

    Let's do some livin'
    After, we die

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Trump tonight talking about his wishes for a 2 trillion dollar infrastructure bill, which both Republicans and Dems are working on at about 750 billion.
    Maybe that hipster musician from Brooklyn can pick up a shovel?

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    Maybe. Seriously. There's going to be a lot of people hurting soon.

    Let's do some livin'
    After, we die

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    Well, a lot of nice shit got built during the Great Depression.

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    We need to bring back the CCC to solely focus on rad mountain bike trails. But to find great builders, we would need to hire Canadians, so I’m not sure how that would work out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    Well, a lot of nice shit got built during the Great Depression.
    Visit Timberline lodge on Mt. Hood someday. Pretty cool craftmanship from that time.

    Hoover Dam was the mondo project of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    We need to bring back the CCC to solely focus on rad mountain bike trails. But to find great builders, we would need to hire Canadians, so Iím not sure how that would work out.
    No Canadians in their right mind would risk their lives going to the US for the foreseeable future

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    Are there any?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncskier View Post
    Maybe that hipster musician from Brooklyn can pick up a shovel?
    dude you're pretty hung up on that guy huh

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    the hipster's in his head

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeLau View Post
    No Canadians in their right mind would risk their lives going to the US for the foreseeable future
    Well, that will decrease the jank factor...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    Well, that will decrease the jank factor...
    There's always a silver lining

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