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  1. #7676
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmyCarter View Post
    It's tough to paint them as a hapless victim in all this when their fiscal and trade policy has been "fuck everyone else"
    The US was more than happy to buy cheap shit to pacify the masses for two decades, we are no victims in this.

    At the end of the day this seems to be an exercise in both nations - the US and China - trying to get the other to shoulder the burden of the problems produced from decades of policy. Don't think either one is going to "win" the way they want to.

    The US is more antipathic to manufacturing and engineering than it was 20 years ago, not less. China is more bent on domestic malinvestment based on foreign consumption, not less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dunfree View Post
    The US was more than happy to buy cheap shit to pacify the masses for two decades, we are no victims in this.

    At the end of the day this seems to be an exercise in both nations - the US and China - trying to get the other to shoulder the burden of the problems produced from decades of policy. Don't think either one is going to "win" the way they want to.

    The US is more antipathic to manufacturing and engineering than it was 20 years ago, not less. China is more bent on domestic malinvestment based on foreign consumption, not less.
    Oh yeah, we're no victims either, but that linked article seemed to paint them as the innocent bystander whose hand was forced.

    We wanted their cheap shit, they wanted us to fuel their growth story, and when the music stops we're both reaching for the same chair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    So, where else are rich people, who, basically, are the market, going to put their money? Soybeans?

    Oh, edit, I forgot, black holes like Uber. But, that's still the market.
    Tiger 21 members have 21% equity exposure. Lowest ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4matic View Post
    Tiger 21 members have 21% equity exposure. Lowest ever.
    Translate into Engrish, please.


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    Is the stock market going to tank?

    Very high net worth investment club.

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    That said, aren't they traditionally in RE, VC, and private equity anyway? i.e they don't play the sucker games at the carnival.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Striker View Post
    That said, aren't they traditionally in RE, VC, and private equity anyway? i.e they don't play the sucker games at the carnival.
    And with Jeffery Epstein. He's a financial genius, I hear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4matic View Post
    Advantage Samsung. China Tariffs will hurt Apple to the benefit of Samsung.

    China won't hurt Apple. Major employer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skaredshtles View Post
    So you're suggesting people time the market?

    Brilliant.

    I can't figure out why more people don't do this.

    Not time the market, just not invest when stocks are overpriced.

    Right now us is way overvalued, but some emergent markets are cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    And with Jeffery Epstein. He's a financial genius, I hear.
    yeah, i hear he knows how to turn 15 into 30











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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    China won't hurt Apple. Major employer.
    US is hurting Apple with proposed tariffs vs S Korea (no tariff)

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    Quote Originally Posted by rod9301 View Post
    Not time the market, just not invest when stocks are overpriced.

    Right now us is way overvalued, but some emergent markets are cheap.

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    If stocks go up tommorow, that means they were "undervalued" today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiCol View Post
    yeah, i hear he knows how to turn 15 into 30











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    Zing!

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    Zing indeed, That was good.

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    US 10Y 1.59%. Stunning drop in rates.

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    I think it is Cono who mentions gaps get filled (and he’s usually right). I wonder if we are going to fill the Dec low gap up?
    Charlie, here comes the deuce. And when you speak of me, speak well.

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    ^^^
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    Good time to buy oil?

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    Are low rates really good for stocks? How can insurance, banks, and pensions meet their actuarial goals? if interest income drops to zero, again, or negative how much purchasing power does that take away from fixed income investors?

    Stocks rally on a soft bond auction is unusual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiCol View Post
    ^^^
    I'm a glass half full guy, but I've got a horrible feeling that shit is really going to hit the fan in the next 6/12 months. We're way the hell into this cycle and economies around the world are starting to roll over.
    Charlie, here comes the deuce. And when you speak of me, speak well.

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    11 year bull run?
    Sure, it can go on forever.
    Why the fuck not, eh?
    Forum Cross Pollinator, gratuitously strident

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    what really scares me is China goes tits up and pulls everyone down with it.

    The stock market is the least of my worries.
    Charlie, here comes the deuce. And when you speak of me, speak well.

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    Well, great timing for the election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Well, great timing for the election.
    If it’s going to crash, I hope it happens before the election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neufox47 View Post
    If it’s going to crash, I hope it happens before the election.
    Zero interest rates since 08 has been a big fuck you to savers and pension dependant retirees, and a nice 20% correction in about a year will drag down the others who actually saved into equities in 401ks and IRAs. I'm pretty sure that there won't be any more stupid talk about SS being insolvent, but, who knows, never underestimate the ability for some politicians to shoot themselves in the balls. Old people vote.

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