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  1. #8051
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    Quote Originally Posted by rod9301 View Post
    Not time the market, just not invest when stocks are overpriced.

    Right now us is way overvalued, but some emergent markets are cheap.

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    If stocks go up tommorow, that means they were "undervalued" today.

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  2. #8052
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiCol View Post
    yeah, i hear he knows how to turn 15 into 30











    to life
    ...
    Zing!

  3. #8053
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    Zing indeed, That was good.

  4. #8054
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    US 10Y 1.59%. Stunning drop in rates.

  5. #8055
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    I think it is Cono who mentions gaps get filled (and heís usually right). I wonder if we are going to fill the Dec low gap up?
    Charlie, here comes the deuce. And when you speak of me, speak well.

  6. #8056
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    ^^^
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  7. #8057
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    Good time to buy oil?

  8. #8058
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    Quote Originally Posted by 406 View Post
    Good time to buy oil?
    easier trades out there imo.

    TLT (20yr US Treasuries) for example is up 18.5% YTD including yield, beating the S&P with a lot less volatility. Gold, bonds and bitcoin are all easier trades imo than anything long growth like oil.

    edit: but ya oil pretty low & susceptible to geo-political noise... I'd put oil well above growth stocks without question.
    Last edited by Bromontane; 08-07-2019 at 11:46 AM.

  9. #8059
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    Are low rates really good for stocks? How can insurance, banks, and pensions meet their actuarial goals? if interest income drops to zero, again, or negative how much purchasing power does that take away from fixed income investors?

    Stocks rally on a soft bond auction is unusual.

  10. #8060
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiCol View Post
    ^^^
    I'm a glass half full guy, but I've got a horrible feeling that shit is really going to hit the fan in the next 6/12 months. We're way the hell into this cycle and economies around the world are starting to roll over.
    Charlie, here comes the deuce. And when you speak of me, speak well.

  11. #8061
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    11 year bull run?
    Sure, it can go on forever.
    Why the fuck not, eh?
    StokePimpin' ain't easy

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    Ultra bond futures went limit up this morning.

    The US can chug along but areas heavily exposed to trade and/or indebted with currency risk may need to default either at sovereign or corporate levels.

    Much of the fixed income risk seems related to how quickly debt is downgraded (that would trigger large liquidity problems absent a Fed clearing facility for corporate bonds). Much like CDS in 07-08 they're effectively private markets given ratings agency incentives. The ratings tail can obscure a lot above the level of outright default. So question for me is how that picture unfolds.

  13. #8063
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    what really scares me is China goes tits up and pulls everyone down with it.

    The stock market is the least of my worries.
    Charlie, here comes the deuce. And when you speak of me, speak well.

  14. #8064
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    Well, great timing for the election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Well, great timing for the election.
    If itís going to crash, I hope it happens before the election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neufox47 View Post
    If itís going to crash, I hope it happens before the election.
    Zero interest rates since 08 has been a big fuck you to savers and pension dependant retirees, and a nice 20% correction in about a year will drag down the others who actually saved into equities in 401ks and IRAs. I'm pretty sure that there won't be any more stupid talk about SS being insolvent, but, who knows, never underestimate the ability for some politicians to shoot themselves in the balls. Old people vote.

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  17. #8067
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    had one of those beyond burgers yesterday...meh....
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  18. #8068
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Well, great timing for the election.
    There isn't going to be a 2020 election, particularly if there is a market crash or recession.
    Set my compass North, I got Winter in my blood.

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    Oh, there's going to be an election. But he'll just refuse to leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Oh, there's going to be an election. But he'll just refuse to leave.
    Distinction without a difference.
    Set my compass North, I got Winter in my blood.

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    To put Uber's 5 billion quarterly loss into perspective: https://jalopnik.com/public-transit-...ion-1837080980

    So much capital sloshing around, doing stupid shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    To put Uber's 5 billion quarterly loss into perspective: https://jalopnik.com/public-transit-...ion-1837080980

    So much capital sloshing around, doing stupid shit.
    Are you suggesting ride sharing is a real alternative to transit investment?

    The recent $5bn was executive's stock.
    Quote Originally Posted by Downbound Train View Post
    And there will come a day when our ancestors look back...........

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    Not really. Uber sells $1 bills for 70c. The one time charge was added to unprofitable ops.

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    @PNW: No he's saying, look at the crazy amount of money being burned at Uber which could be put to much better use elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PNWbrit View Post
    Are you suggesting ride sharing is a real alternative to transit investment?

    The recent $5bn was executive's stock.
    Not sure what you're asking, but, its absurd that all this money is producing a money losing international taxi company, and our bridges are falling down.

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