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  1. #2801
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantheman View Post
    I never said it was the same experience. What are you talking about?

    No, "most" people do not do Kings in a day. 3 days is most common--1 day to the head of Henry Fork, 1 day to dayhike the peak, 1 day to hike out. We ended up doing it on labor day weekend so we probably saw close to 20 other people. All of them were backpacking and most let us know they thought we were crazy (we were quite aware of how decidedly un-badass we were).

    Your kids did 30-mile, 3-day backpacking trips in elementary school? Damn, respect, they're radder than mine.
    Sorry my apologies, it seemed an implied equivalence when you said the "great thing about trail running is you can do epic 3-4 backpacking routes in one day." I was just commenting having done a number of both across the same routes, that they were not equivalent to me.

    Re Kings- when I did it aug 2003, we saw zero other people, no campers. I was told it was 18-20 not 28 miles rt, but those were also the 2 locals with the shrooms.

    Yeah I guess I was the hardass dad? I usually tried to limit it to 8-10/day in planning, but we had a few days that stretched 12+, one 16 mile day when they were 9 and 11 escaping late Aug snow fall on Red Mtn Pass. Id plan1-2 nighters in the 10-20 mi range and one 5-6 night and 50+ outing each year from age 6 and up. Kind of stopped when they became teens but then coordinating around ski camps and the rest of their general activities got harder.

    Age 4 and 6 coming out in the dark after a 10mi day.


    The 4 yro is now a 18yro frosh at U of U with 22 skiing days this season.
    Move upside and let the man go through...

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    Awesome!!!
    °”rale, vato!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mofro261 View Post
    Sorry my apologies, it seemed an implied equivalence when you said the "great thing about trail running is you can do epic 3-4 backpacking routes in one day." I was just commenting having done a number of both across the same routes, that they were not equivalent to me.

    Re Kings- when I did it aug 2003, we saw zero other people, no campers. I was told it was 18-20 not 28 miles rt, but those were also the 2 locals with the shrooms.

    Yeah I guess I was the hardass dad? I usually tried to limit it to 8-10/day in planning, but we had a few days that stretched 12+, one 16 mile day when they were 9 and 11 escaping late Aug snow fall on Red Mtn Pass. Id plan1-2 nighters in the 10-20 mi range and one 5-6 night and 50+ outing each year from age 6 and up. Kind of stopped when they became teens but then coordinating around ski camps and the rest of their general activities got harder.

    Age 4 and 6 coming out in the dark after a 10mi day.


    The 4 yro is now a 18yro frosh at U of U with 22 skiing days this season.
    Dang Iím gonna show my 4 and 10 year old girls this, they be slacking! ( or I be slacking)

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    Wow, very, very impressive.

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    Running, Anyone...?

    Dan the man, have you looked at joe nimble trail shoes? Very wide toe box. 3 year guarantee

  6. #2806
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    As long as it keeps not snowing, I'm going to keep running. 5.7mi, 3500ft in 2hrs. Beautiful morning in the mountains outside Seattle today. Such a contrast to the fog and clouds outside my window at work in the city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mofro261 View Post
    Sorry my apologies, it seemed an implied equivalence when you said the "great thing about trail running is you can do epic 3-4 backpacking routes in one day." I was just commenting having done a number of both across the same routes, that they were not equivalent to me.

    Re Kings- when I did it aug 2003, we saw zero other people, no campers. I was told it was 18-20 not 28 miles rt, but those were also the 2 locals with the shrooms.

    Yeah I guess I was the hardass dad? I usually tried to limit it to 8-10/day in planning, but we had a few days that stretched 12+, one 16 mile day when they were 9 and 11 escaping late Aug snow fall on Red Mtn Pass. Id plan1-2 nighters in the 10-20 mi range and one 5-6 night and 50+ outing each year from age 6 and up. Kind of stopped when they became teens but then coordinating around ski camps and the rest of their general activities got harder.

    Age 4 and 6 coming out in the dark after a 10mi day.


    The 4 yro is now a 18yro frosh at U of U with 22 skiing days this season.
    I need to up the ante with my kids I guess. My youngest is 4.5. She got to go on her first overnight backpacking trip this year. I ended up carrying her backpack which only had her clothes and a few snacks in it. My father-in-law went with us. He kept her chatting and she didn't notice how far she had walked. But 3 miles was a bit of a stretch. The older kids (6 & 8) like it but don't love it and it takes quite a bit of preparation to keep them motivated.

    I'm optimistic that I'll be able to get them interested enough to enjoy some multi day trips but realistically I'm still a few years away from it being something that they really look forward to.

    That gets to the trail running. Long mountain trail runs and long multi-day backpacking trips are definitely different experiences. With that said, I really like the idea of big 1 day missions in the mountain that cover a lot of ground. It also dovetails well with other things, like big 1 day pushes on skis in the winter, or long 1 day mountaineering trips in the summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phatty View Post
    As long as it keeps not snowing, I'm going to keep running. 5.7mi, 3500ft in 2hrs. Beautiful morning in the mountains outside Seattle today. Such a contrast to the fog and clouds outside my window at work in the city.
    Nice work. Is that Mt. Si, or further west?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buke View Post
    Nice work. Is that Mt. Si, or further west?
    Mt. Si up the old trail. Gorgeous morning. Hope to get in a couple more.

    None of Mofro's parental bad assery surprises me. I've taken my boys on multiple 50+ mile trips with Boy Scouts, but never tried to take a 4yo up to Rachel Lake. I just hope my 9yo could handle it.

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    7 weeks in and Iím just barely feeling recovered from this weird hip injury I sustained in a hard 10 mile run.

    Yes flat on pavement... could have been result of last 6 months of 30-50 mpw training with probably 75% on pavement.

    But it came up day after specific workout.

    I had no idea there were so many hip pain variations that could be multiple issues:

    Bursitis, torn labrum, IT, bone spur, hairline fracture. ...

    Iím not sure what I had but I could not run on flats. Could still go up steep and down steep and bike feels fine.

    Specific pain was felt when I unweighted the hip joint, as in kick off of tail end of stride cycle.

    Or if I just stood there with weight on and then slowly unweighted, it felt like swelling rushing back into joint.

    No debilitating, but annoying. Of course I was dumb and kept trying to run through it for the first 3 weeks before I realized this was not another niggle.

    Anyway, Iíve started more aggressive stretch program and am going to just Zwift for the next month. Oh and the ski hill opens tomorrow so that will be good distraction .

    Running injuries are real!!

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    Never felt as happy to be back on the concrete as I did yesterday after a couple miles of trying to run my favorite trail when it was all covered in shitty refrozen ice...

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    Brandine: Now Cletus, if I catch you with pig lipstick on your collar one more time you ain't gonna be allowed to sleep in the barn no more!
    Cletus: Duly noted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruiser View Post
    Never felt as happy to be back on the concrete as I did yesterday after a couple miles of trying to run my favorite trail when it was all covered in shitty refrozen ice...

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    Look on the bright side, you worked all those minor muscle groups neglected on pavement runs

    I'm spending too much time on the tarmac and need to hit some trails, just nothing in my immediate area so its a bit of a drive.

    I agree it is a constitutional right for Americans to be assholes...its just too bad that so many take the opportunity...
    iscariot

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    Donít wait too long for overnighters with the kids. My daughter has been game for anything until this year, now sheís a grumpy preteen. Sheís been doing overnighters since she was 5 or 6 and some of our biggest days were when she 8 and 9. Kids are really capable and resilient, way more than even they realize, and they love getting dirty and pooping in a hole.
    Remind me. We'll send him a red cap and a Speedo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hutash View Post
    Look on the bright side, you worked all those minor muscle groups neglected on pavement runs
    Hah, I was being serious. I usually hate to turn back onto the tarmac preferring, instead, to only run the road for the couple miles it takes to get between the house and the trails. But all that refrozen terrible actually made me happy to get off the trails for once.
    Brandine: Now Cletus, if I catch you with pig lipstick on your collar one more time you ain't gonna be allowed to sleep in the barn no more!
    Cletus: Duly noted.

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    This probably belongs in the gimp section but I'll post it here because it's running specific. Post marathon I had 2 or 3 pains/injuries/sore areas. I took a few days off and then went out for a 2 mile jog and quickly realized that I need a little more time to just rest and recover. Fast forward another week or so. I went out for a short run this morning and most of the issues have cleared up but I have this pain/discomfort right behind my knee. As I ran it just got a little tighter and tighter. Sitting at my desk now, if I dig in behind my knee there's a pretty distinct tendon right at the posterior center of the soft area behind the knee that is tender. Internet sleuthing is coming up a little short. Maybe it's hamstring tendonitis? Maybe it's one of the other muscles that tie in to that area. Maybe I strained something and just need to give it a little more time to heal?

    Anyway, has anyone experienced that? What's the proper rehab? I'm not even sure what sort of exercises to do to strengthen it and help it recover. I'm hoping to avoid just sitting around for a few more weeks in the hope that it goes away but I really don't want to go over do it and end up gimped for the next 2-3 months. I can definitely feel it with a straight leg calf stretch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buke View Post
    This probably belongs in the gimp section but I'll post it here because it's running specific. Post marathon I had 2 or 3 pains/injuries/sore areas. I took a few days off and then went out for a 2 mile jog and quickly realized that I need a little more time to just rest and recover. Fast forward another week or so. I went out for a short run this morning and most of the issues have cleared up but I have this pain/discomfort right behind my knee. As I ran it just got a little tighter and tighter. Sitting at my desk now, if I dig in behind my knee there's a pretty distinct tendon right at the posterior center of the soft area behind the knee that is tender. Internet sleuthing is coming up a little short. Maybe it's hamstring tendonitis? Maybe it's one of the other muscles that tie in to that area. Maybe I strained something and just need to give it a little more time to heal?

    Anyway, has anyone experienced that? What's the proper rehab? I'm not even sure what sort of exercises to do to strengthen it and help it recover. I'm hoping to avoid just sitting around for a few more weeks in the hope that it goes away but I really don't want to go over do it and end up gimped for the next 2-3 months. I can definitely feel it with a straight leg calf stretch.
    I would try a massage ball (specific if you have one, if not lacrosse ball or even tennis worth a shot), along the belly of the hamstring. Sit on the floor with your legs extended straight out, position the ball under your hamstring (biceps femoris) and move yourself around on the ball. If you find tight/painful spots, hold there and gradually increase pressure while breathing deeply. After 5 to 10 minutes of that, try some gentle stretching. Try that for 3-4 days and see if it improves. I have had times where that helped me with what I think you are describing (and times when it didn't, in which case you just need a longer period of rest).

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    Kind of flat, but a good run none the less.

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    I agree it is a constitutional right for Americans to be assholes...its just too bad that so many take the opportunity...
    iscariot

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    11* with sunny skies and no wind this morning and 3-5" on my favorite trails right out my front door. I sure do love running in the snow!

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    Brandine: Now Cletus, if I catch you with pig lipstick on your collar one more time you ain't gonna be allowed to sleep in the barn no more!
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    Whoa that only took 11 weeks before I could run pain free in my poor hip! Actually 5 weeks of trying to run through the pain followed by 6 weeks of strict no running then voila! Nice little 3 miler with the dog today in -5f.

    It had got to the point where I couldn't run 3 steps before pain was too much.
    I never did go to the doctor. Self diagnosed on the internet, was worried about stress fracture for a bit, that is what really made me stop running through pain. I think it was just soft tissue damage in the end. Either way, no fun!

    I'm 3 weeks out from this 1 hour indoor lap challenge race I had all but given up on. Now for a very slow build for next 2 weeks and make the call a couple days out... it sure would be dumb to re injure self pounding 40 laps on a track I reckon.

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    Injuries suck. Just twist my ankle walking down dark steps. I almost never injure myself running, but apparently can't walk worth shit. It is much better, but a long way from runnable. I just hope it is happy in a ski boot.

    I agree it is a constitutional right for Americans to be assholes...its just too bad that so many take the opportunity...
    iscariot

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    OP hasn’t posted in a decade.

    But she’s a valley girl
    A valley girl
    ďLife has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously.Ē
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    Quote Originally Posted by Core Shot View Post
    OP hasn’t posted in a decade.

    But she’s a valley girl
    A valley girl
    Okay, fine, for sure, for sure
    She's a valley girl and there is no cure

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    She moved to Florida. Tampa area, I seem to recall. Not too many valleys there, I've heard.
    °”rale, vato!

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