Running, Anyone...?

[doebedoe]

First off -- listen again and again to the injury advice. Not getting injured in training is by far the most important part. I broke my ankle almost 2 years ago (don't do drugs while backpacking kids) and am in constant in/out of shape because of it. Ran a trail half in april, only to roll my ankle while gardening a week later and ending up likely needing surgery (MRI scheduled.)

This, too. Walk/power hike everything more than a gentle uphill grade. Running uphill is way more physically taxing but only marginally faster.

Running feels good but at a certain grade it just isn't fast. Trail runner this morning was surprised to see me at the alpine lake when he arrived. He started 10min after me (~3mi, 2000' of vert). I hiked.

[2bjenny]

Really good advice from everyone. I started trail running 3 years ago, 55k my longest, no desire for longer distances. I’m not fast by any means. I am a lazy trail runner, more about getting out and enjoying the scenery. I do back to back runs on weekends, but only after training for many weeks. My long run is on Saturday and Sunday is only 4-6 miles, slow, recovery run.

Surprisingly, the foot pain is completely gone after the injection. My race partner, is also out of the race for sure as of today. Sort of lost some motivation now. I’m in Tx for the week finally visiting my family since the shutdown. I’ll decide what to do when I get back to Idaho. Who knows, maybe the place will be on fire with the way things are going.

However, I’m determined to not stop running completely this summer. I did that last summer with everything being cancelled and now I’m paying the price. I was doing really well with my running until I just said “screw this” last August.

[bodywhomper]

Injury, aches, and pains suck, especially (for me!) as I get older and life priorities get more complex. I’ve mentioned this before, I was referred to a physiatrist (aka Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation physician) when I was having recurring problems to my lower back. By the time of my visit, my back was feeling better, so he just gave me a consultation, which included a recommendation of the recently published book, Ready to Run, by Kelley Starrett. For me, this was a good recommendation.

The book has a lot of recommendations, stretches, and exercises to improve and maintain mobility to allow us to run throughout our lives. I’ve found it very helpful as a baseline reference document. Caveat: I do not like Starrett’s general tone of his writing, but I use the internal filter that I developed while participating on this forum.

[stapes]

Trails in there somewhere…

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Seward celebrates a 1-2 finish by locals in women’s Mount Marathon race



SEWARD — The competition in the women’s race was fierce Wednesday at the 93rd edition of Mount Marathon. So was the camaraderie.

The town celebrated a 1-2 finish by Seward runners Hannah Lafleur and Ruby Lindquist, with Lafleur repeating as champion and Lindquist enjoying her best finish in three races.

Two-time champion Christy Marvin of Palmer was third and Rosie Frankowski of Anchorage was fourth, and at the finish line, all four women gathered to continue the lovefest that unfolded on the mountain.

Thank you, Lafleur said to Marvin, for spurring her up the route — which tops out at 2,974 feet — and providing encouragement as they chased Frankowski to the top.

“Christy started egging me on, so thanks for that,” Lafleur said.

Frankowski, a monster on the uphill, set a torrid pace to the summit just as she did in 2018. And just like that year, runners more adept at the steep, dangerous descent left Frankowski behind on the way down, with Lindquist leading the way, followed by Lafleur and Marvin.

Frankowski cheered them as they passed.



As Lindquist neared the bottom of the mountain, Lafleur claimed the lead just before the cliffs.

“I was thinking, ‘I have to gap as much as I can,’ and here she comes, and I said, ‘Go Hannah!’ " Lindquist said.

There’s a 19-year age range among the women -- Lindquist is 21, Frankowski 29, Lafleur 32 and Marvin 40 -- but just 82 seconds separated them at the finish line.

Lafleur won in 51 minutes, 24 seconds. Lindquist was second in 51:38, followed by Marvin in 52:21 and Frankowski in 52:56.

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https://www.adn.com/sports/2021/07/0...rathon-race/#_

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SEWARD — The race announcer called David Norris “the pride of Alaska” Wednesday as the Anchorage man headed to the Fourth Avenue finish line behind the police car that traditionally escorts the Mount Marathon leader partway down the street with flashing lights and a blaring siren.

That phrase has followed Norris since his 2016 record-breaking run here, when he reclaimed the race record for Alaska by topping the 2015 record set by Kilian Jornet, a professional skyrunner from Spain -- the first and only non-Alaska man to hold the record in Alaska’s most famous footrace.

But after Wednesday, Norris might have to share the “pride of Alaska” title with the race itself.

He claimed his third victory with a time of 43 minutes, 27 seconds, a dominating performance that put him more than two minutes ahead of a pair of Lower 48 runners who finished second and third. Sam Hendry, an NCAA skier for the University of Utah, was second in 46:00 and Darren Thomas, a Salomon-sponsored runner from Nevada, was third in 46:09.

Believe it when we say the two visitors will be sharing the Mount Marathon gospel when they go home.

“Dude, it’s so awesome,” Thomas said. “This is the most pure mountain race I can think of. It’s straight up and straight down -- no messing around.

“I’m used to more ‘American’ races -- races that don’t have (such big) crowds and also aren’t as steep. Alaska doesn’t mess around.”
Thomas was one of five professional runners representing Salomon, the outdoor gear company that became a race sponsor this year. Hendry came up on his own after hearing about the race from Anchorage’s Luke Jager, one of Alaska’s top mountain runners who is teammates with Hendry at Utah.

Turns out Jager didn’t oversell a race often described as the toughest 5K on the planet. Mount Marathon is about 3 miles long, and most of it is spent making a 2,974-foot ascent and descent of the peak.

“It’s absolutely the funnest race I’ve ever done,” Hendry said. “All of the changes -- every part of it is so different. There’s the road, the rock climb, the aerobic hike to the top, and then you break into the alpine and you’re way above the clouds and the town.

“And then it’s crazy coming down the mountain.”
Norris, a 30-year-old World Cup cross-country skier, crushed the uphill climb to build a big lead and was never threatened the rest of the way to win. It was his third victory in three races.

After the two Outsiders came Eagle River’s Mikey Connelly, 19, who made his senior debut by placing fourth in 46:27, giving the race three rookies in the top four. Four seconds later was fifth-place Lyon Kopsack of Palmer in 46:31.

Norris’ time this year was his slowest so far, trailing the course-record 41:26 he ran in his rookie race in 2016 and the 42:13 that earned him a second win in 2018.

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https://www.adn.com/sports/2021/07/0...the-mens-race/

[bagtagley]

I've been nursing a pair of Inov8 Trailroc 235s for way too long because I love them and they don't make them anymore. Can anybody suggest something similar? Low drop, roomy toe box, lightweight, and semi-aggressive tread?

[Dantheman]

I'm mostly pretty happy with the Altra King MT2s I picked up last fall. I say mostly because I do seem to be a little more prone to rolling ankles than my previous shoes (Top Runventure 2). Not sure if it's actually the shoes or just bad luck.

[DLD in UT]

I've been nursing a pair of Inov8 Trailroc 235s for way too long because I love them and they don't make them anymore. Can anybody suggest something similar? Low drop, roomy toe box, lightweight, and semi-aggressive tread?

Nike Terra Kiger or Hoka Torrents (not a typical marshmallow Hoka). I do most of my miles in those shoes. Great for dry sandy/dirt trails here in UT. Not sure how they'd do in wetter softer underfoot trails.

[2bjenny]

There is a new Topo Mtn Racer 2 that I really want to try for the roomy toe box.

[brutah]

Nike Terra Kiger or Hoka Torrents (not a typical marshmallow Hoka). I do most of my miles in those shoes. Great for dry sandy/dirt trails here in UT. Not sure how they'd do in wetter softer underfoot trails.

I am stoked with my pair of Terra Kigers. Got a pair on the cheap and now they're my go-to trail runners

That said, I bought a pair of inov8 trailrocs, tried em on and they were comfortable but ultimately returned em before using em and went with Salomon Sense Pros instead

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[fool]

I've been nursing a pair of Inov8 Trailroc 235s for way too long because I love them and they don't make them anymore. Can anybody suggest something similar? Low drop, roomy toe box, lightweight, and semi-aggressive tread?

Like brutah mentioned above, some version of one of the nicer, lighter Salomons would check some of your boxes (not low drop and probably not a roomy toe box). You still might like them though.

[Falcon3]

Topo Athletic works great for me, I’m in the ultraventure. 5mm drop, they also have some 0 drop models. They look basically new after about 400 miles, my Altras always died early deaths mostly from sole separation. Topo is perfectly roomy over my 112mm forefoot.

[fool]

Pics from last Saturday’s run via S Sourdough, Niwot Ridge, and then back via Long and Brainard Lake with a moose sighting.




Followed by Sunday’s run at Red Rocks, Dakota Ridge, and Mt Morrison.

Any favorite alpine runs near Winter Park? I have a few on my list but would love the collectives’ thoughts - will be around there Labor Day most likely.

And how’s everyone’s training for fall races going? Excited for Fall to come around.


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[jorion]

I don’t have any cool stoke to share but I will say that this first season of running as an end rather than a means to an end has been really great for my physical and mental health. Especially the latter.

I’ve never really enjoyed running and just did it because it seemed like the most efficient use of workout time.

Last ski preseason and season I was very intentional about training and it really paid off. I wasn’t sure what to do with myself when the season ended (on the early side by California standards) and I kind of randomly decided to follow the intro to ultra running 20 week training plan from uphill athlete.

I’ve been kind of blown away how much I’ve enjoyed running and how distances that used to feel extreme to me now barely feel strenuous.

I’ve done a couple 17 and 18 mile trail runs with a good amount of vert and been surprised to find I had plenty of energy the rest of the day and have barely felt sore the next day. I’m doing a 20-mile loop Sunday and don’t really expect to suffer since it’s rare that I’ve felt much more than a mild eagerness for a workout to be over.

I hadn’t even originally planned in finishing the 20 weeks (and running the 50k at the end) but at this point I’m looking forward to it all and don’t mind delaying preseason ski training.

The only disappointment has been the fact that a very busy work schedule and a very bad fire season has kept me from much running in the Sierra.

I will be heading to Colorado for a couple weeks on a family trip so I’m looking forward to running there, including the imogene pass run in a couple weekends.

Some highlights have been some early season high-altitude runs near mammoth lakes and bishop, an 18-mile run from the southeastern corner of SF to the northwestern edge (over a bunch of cool trails and big hills), 17 miles on the backbone trail in the Santa Monica mountains on a work trip, and a whole bunch of running in the Marin headlands which feel like my home turf.

Running, who knew it could be fun?

[Buke]

I don’t have any cool stoke to share but I will say that this first season of running as an end rather than a means to an end has been really great for my physical and mental health. Especially the latter.

That's plenty of stoke right there.

[Skistack]

Pics from last Saturday’s run via S Sourdough, Niwot Ridge, and then back via Long and Brainard Lake with a moose sighting.




Followed by Sunday’s run at Red Rocks, Dakota Ridge, and Mt Morrison.

Any favorite alpine runs near Winter Park? I have a few on my list but would love the collectives’ thoughts - will be around there Labor Day most likely.

And how’s everyone’s training for fall races going? Excited for Fall to come around.


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Hey Fool, how long was the Sourdough > Niwot > Long Lake > Brainard Lake loop? That looks like fun one!


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[Buke]

A few pics from a 16.5 mile loop I did a couple weeks ago.


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[The SnowShow]

So jealous of those who can link up big loops like the Maroon Bells 4 Pass Loop or the Brainard Lake>Pawnee Pass>Crater Lake under Lone Eagle Peak>Buchanan Pass back to Brainard in one day.

I suck at running but enjoy it when my body allows me too. My knees and back hurt usually. This summer has been so hot and smoky, I’ve barely had the motivation. Hopefully that changes this fall.

[doebedoe]

Little bit of stoke. As seems like every season since breaking my ankle -- it's been a year of navigating my right foot maladies.

But this dude helps me get out the door regularly.

In ND Badlands


12 miles in the morning before a work conference


One of regular morning runs


Every damn day....

[fool]

Hey Fool, how long was the Sourdough > Niwot > Long Lake > Brainard Lake loop? That looks like fun one!


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Right around 20, with 3.7k climbing. If you DM me your email, I'm happy to send the GPX.

So jealous of those who can link up big loops like the Maroon Bells 4 Pass Loop or the Brainard Lake>Pawnee Pass>Crater Lake under Lone Eagle Peak>Buchanan Pass back to Brainard in one day.

I suck at running but enjoy it when my body allows me too. My knees and back hurt usually. This summer has been so hot and smoky, I’ve barely had the motivation. Hopefully that changes this fall.

Agreed! Was strongly thinking about 4 Pass this year but not sure it will happen. And I think that other route might be called Pawnee-Buchanan, right? Andrew Skurka has crushed that route.

Awesome pup, doebedoe. Love the excitement to get out the door.

[I've seen black diamonds!]

Right around 20, with 3.7k climbing. If you DM me your email, I'm happy to send the GPX.



Agreed! Was strongly thinking about 4 Pass this year but not sure it will happen. And I think that other route might be called Pawnee-Buchanan, right? Andrew Skurka has crushed that route.

Awesome pup, doebedoe. Love the excitement to get out the door.

I planning to do Pawnee Buchanan in September. I will not be crushing it though. It will probably crush me.

[fool]

I’ve been kind of blown away how much I’ve enjoyed running and how distances that used to feel extreme to me now barely feel strenuous.

It's the coolest. Almost like a drug. When you finish a run and are like "wow, that wasn't too bad. And I went far."

I will be heading to Colorado for a couple weeks on a family trip so I’m looking forward to running there, including the imogene pass run in a couple weekends.

Imogene is great! Just be careful of the downhill - my quads were not ready and I ran it too aggressively a few years ago, leaving some ITBS issues for a bit. And if you want any to get together for any Front Range runs, PM me. Depending on the timing, would be great to link up.

I planning to do Pawnee Buchanan in September. I will not be crushing it though. It will probably crush me.

Hah - awesome regardless. Depending on fitness - after my mid-Sep race - and Fall weather, I might try for that or 4 Pass in late September / early October.

[jorion]

Thanks fool, would love to link up but I’m not heading to the front range at all unfortunately.

Running the four pass loop would be amazing, too.

And yeah, I’m a little wary of the 4000’+ descent. I feel pretty damn strong but that’s about the most I’ve descended in a single run, and not all at once.

Spent the night in Vegas on my way out and did some fartleks (hehe) in red rock canyon this morning. What a sick place!