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  1. #2701
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    Just dropping in because I'd never heard of the Barkley Marathons until this weekend. Holy shit.

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    I've been doing 35mpw this summer and have a good thing going in terms of not stressing joints too much. Avg of maybe 2k-3k vert on trail days with some city jogs mixed in when lazy. Even picked up a set of skis so will be on two planks for the first time since the mid-90s. Hopefully the training pays off with fun touring and no knee asplosions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Groomer Gambler View Post
    Not necessarily running but anyone try these new shoes from Altra?

    https://www.altrarunning.com/shop/ou...display#hero=3

    I'm most interested in using as an all-purpose hiking and mtn bike/bikepacking shoe. I have wide feet with a slight taylors bunion that developed last year, and lately have been searching for shoes with a wider toe box (rather than wide EE size). Haven't tried altra shoes before... how do they run size-wise?
    I picked up the Timp 1.5s in June & they have me hooked on Altra. Have a wide foot so the toe box comfort is a big differentiator alongside the gaitors, which make a yuge difference in the dusty/rocky Wasatch. Size seems true. Just a great platform for covering a lot of miles and keeping rocks out & knees happy.

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    ^^^^ Check out this guy's take on increasing running economy: https://andrewskurka.com/david-roche...thon-training/

    Good stuff, especially for those of us with little racing background before adulthood.

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    ^^ That was good article , kind of confirmed what Viva was saying about shorter runs with more intensity.

    I think that is what wore me out last week, mixing some speed work in with volume.

    I basically have a three core runs trying to get into a week A, B, C

    A) 4 x 5k @ 20 min
    B) 12 mile with fast last 3 miles
    C) 20 mile @ 90% and negative split on the return.

    easier said than done, last week...

    Sun: A) run managed 3 x 5k (20:15, 19:45, 20:30) with 3 min rest in between. 11 Mile total.

    Mon: easy 5 mile

    Tues: 5 mile with 1.5 mile at 6:30

    Wed: B) 10 mile with 6-9 @ 6:15

    Thurs: Rest

    Fri: 9 mile technical trail in 1:25

    Sat: 15 mile technical trail and long climb. Huge neg. split (1:30/ :55)... 2:25 total

    Sun: 30 min easy Zwift

    Mon: 30 min easy Zwift

    Tues: (today). A) dreading the A run all week... 3 x 5k (19:40, 19:30, 19:40). 11 total. Aiming for negative split on each interval , 6:30 on way out 6:10 on way back. I have nice little out and back route with spray paint marking 2.5k turnaround.

    I definitely feel like my flat running economy has improved in last 6 weeks since I dropped all mountain running from agenda. If anything I have learned that I am faster percentile wise in flat road races than mountain races, as I am 6' 1" and 205. Lot of weight to drag up hill with certain limitation on potential improved economy whereas on the flats I can get moving like a freight train and just keep trucking, lol.

    Plan to focus on flat roads races next summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by North View Post
    Just dropping in because I'd never heard of the Barkley Marathons until this weekend. Holy shit.
    Yeah...totally insane. You probably saw the piece on Netflix:



    There is another one about Gary Robbins - a badass ultrarunner, seemingly great guy, and race director for the Squamish 50 - and it's pretty emotional:



    That's (obviously) just the trailer: the whole video on Gary Robbins is free on Youtube. Check it out - it's pretty high quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds! View Post
    ^^^^ Check out this guy's take on increasing running economy: https://andrewskurka.com/david-roche...thon-training/

    Good stuff, especially for those of us with little racing background before adulthood.
    Totally good stuff, ISBD. David Roche also publishes an article every week (I think) for Trail Runner, here are two that are connected to the subject of speed and strides, which David believe are key!

    Strides: https://trailrunnermag.com/training/...es-how-to.html
    Slightly more structured stride guidance: https://trailrunnermag.com/training/...sometimes.html

    Disclaimer: David's been my coach for 18 months or so. Though I'm dealing with an injury now - might be a stress fracture... - I've definitely run faster and more consistently than I have in previous years. It's been fun.
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    Thanks for link to "Where Dreams Go To Die".

    Watching it now while icing a black and blue ankle hoping I won't miss race I've been training for.

  8. #2708
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    Yeah I actually watched the YouTube vid first, and subsequently binged all Barkley Marathons content I could find. Totally fascinating, mostly because "Laz" is such a great character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds! View Post
    ^^^^ Check out this guy's take on increasing running economy: https://andrewskurka.com/david-roche...thon-training/
    Thanks for this btw. Taking a bit to digest it but helpful nonetheless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds! View Post
    ^^^^ Check out this guy's take on increasing running economy: https://andrewskurka.com/david-roche...thon-training/

    Good stuff, especially for those of us with little racing background before adulthood.
    Roche used to write some hilarious race reports on slowtwitch back in the day. I "retired" from tris in 2010 and don't get back to that site much lately, so no idea if he is still at it.

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    soft yet tacky on the down..

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    Got a new headlamp: Biolight. Really, the best headlight Iíve ever used bc itís so balanced and comfy. Thereís no floppiness from a heavy light on the front.

    But: what hydration pack/vest you all using? Should accommodate a 50k or so. Not the cheapest guy...but also not looking to spend a $170 on a S/Lab vest.


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    I have an ultimate direction mountain vest and a nathan vest, similar to the fireball I like both and they can usually be found on sale or specials. I also like the look of the Inov8 Race Elite Vest 10, which falls in between the those two size wise. I think the UD Mountain Vest is a little big for a 50k and the Nathan vest I have is too small.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartyiak View Post
    Got a new headlamp: Biolight. Really, the best headlight I’ve ever used bc it’s so balanced and comfy. There’s no floppiness from a heavy light on the front.

    But: what hydration pack/vest you all using? Should accommodate a 50k or so. Not the cheapest guy...but also not looking to spend a $170 on a S/Lab vest.


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    I also recently picked up a Biolight. I've only used it for a 3-day backpacking trip and haven't run with it yet, but I'm impressed so far.

    I've liked my Solomon Advanced Skin 12 so far (~$150). I picked it up in July because the reviews were unanimously good. So far I've done a few unsupported 20+ mile mountain runs with it, and it's worked fine. I also added a 1.5 hydration pack, and I have no problems running with both it and the two half-liter soft bottles at capacity. My one caveat would be to maybe size down. I was right between a medium and large. I initially bought a medium, but it felt too tight on the sofa, so I exchanged it for a large. On my first run with full water bottles, I realized that I had to cinch it nearly all the way down for it to fit properly. Mind you, it still works well for me this way, but I probably should have stuck with the medium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartyiak View Post
    But: what hydration pack/vest you all using? Should accommodate a 50k or so. Not the cheapest guy...but also not looking to spend a $170 on a S/Lab vest.
    I've been using a Salomon Skin Pro 10 for a few years. Carries well for me regardless of how I set it up (bottle/bladder/both, empty vs full of extra clothes/water pump/microspikes). Pocket design is good. It's getting a bit threadbare after heavy use, and I've restitched a couple seems, but I'm pretty happy with the durability. Might try the new Patagonia vest soon as I have some credit and can return if I don't like it.

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    I know that you said you don't want to spend $170 on an S/Lab vest but I can highly recommend the Adv Skin 12. I wanted something that I could wear on runs to work where I'd be carrying a lunch and a jacket and also use on long trail runs where I needed to carry some survival essentials. I hardly notice I'm wearing it regardless of whether it's virtually empty except for a water bottle or it's stuffed with emergency bivy, clothes, food, etc. I can't imagine needing anything else so when you compare it to the risk of buying something cheaper and then needing to buy a 2nd product to fill a gap, it maybe isn't that expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKbruin View Post
    I also recently picked up a Biolight. I've only used it for a 3-day backpacking trip and haven't run with it yet, but I'm impressed so far.

    I've liked my Solomon Advanced Skin 12 so far (~$150). I picked it up in July because the reviews were unanimously good. So far I've done a few unsupported 20+ mile mountain runs with it, and it's worked fine. I also added a 1.5 hydration pack, and I have no problems running with both it and the two half-liter soft bottles at capacity. My one caveat would be to maybe size down. I was right between a medium and large. I initially bought a medium, but it felt too tight on the sofa, so I exchanged it for a large. On my first run with full water bottles, I realized that I had to cinch it nearly all the way down for it to fit properly. Mind you, it still works well for me this way, but I probably should have stuck with the medium.
    Just stop running and eat a lot...problem solved.

    How did you like the light for backpacking? I have had horrible luck with rechargeables in general, so just carry extra AAAs or a small lamp.

    I agree it is a constitutional right for Americans to be assholes...its just too bad that so many take the opportunity...
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    As a relatively new runner, I've been enjoying the local trail running at lot this summer. Here are a few photos of Tahoe-based trail-running zen:

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    Quote Originally Posted by hutash View Post
    How did you like the light for backpacking? I have had horrible luck with rechargeables in general, so just carry extra AAAs or a small lamp.
    So far, so good. The battery issue is a potential problem. But it's also nice to be able to recharge via a USB.

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    Great pics!

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    I just picked a pair of Altra Amp (?) from REI . Love the wide toe box and zero drop. Took them for a quick spin tonight and could definitely feel the difference in foot strike position .

    After using Salomon speed cross for the last few years as trail shoe with tight toe box and 11mm drop , these felt like running on clouds!

    That Tahoe running sure looks nice , I just did 6 miles in the dark pouring rain could see my breath in street lights. Not photogenic but new shoes made fun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hutash View Post
    How did you like the light for backpacking? I have had horrible luck with rechargeables in general, so just carry extra AAAs or a small lamp.
    I know you weren't talking to me, but...

    There have been some negative reviews about the battery life (especially in the cold). I bought it specifically for running and I will say, it is, hands down, the best light ever for running. I hate headlamps when running b/c of the floppiness/imbalanced weight...I just cant't seem to get the headband tight enough to prevent it...or it was so uncomfortably tight that I couldn't take it. The headband on the Biolite is also really nice and soft.

    I've had the Biolite on up to 4hrs and still had plenty of charge left. If I'm not running, I don't have the same issues with the flopiness, so the biggest benefit of the Biolite is lessened. If going hike/camp for an entire weekend or longer, I'd prolly still take a traditional headlamp with extra batteries, if only so I didn't have to worry about recharging issues.
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    Anyone ever have to deal with a Meniscal Cyst? Degenerative meniscus tear with zero pain, but over a 2-3 month period I developed a rather large sized hard lump on the medial side of my knee. Still no pain and running. Doc recs no surgery and as long as there is no locking or pain continue to run.

    Just wonder if this fluid filled cyst will just continue to grow and grow and grow and....? Or is there some sort of limit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantheman View Post
    Great pics!
    Thanks, man. I read your old comments on nutrition in this thread from a number of years ago, and were really helpful. I think I'm going to try bringing a slice of pizza on my next long run. Pizza goes down so well on long backcountry ski days, and I'm pretty sure my stomach would not only handle it but appreciate it. I've been doing too many sugary bars and gus recently. I might also try some Trail Butter, but pizza sounds better.

    Side note: One thing that trail running has helped me appreciate is how relatively low impact on the body backcountry skiing is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smartyiak View Post
    Got a new headlamp: Biolight. Really, the best headlight I’ve ever used bc it’s so balanced and comfy. There’s no floppiness from a heavy light on the front.

    But: what hydration pack/vest you all using? Should accommodate a 50k or so. Not the cheapest guy...but also not looking to spend a $170 on a S/Lab
    Biolight sounds great from everyone - will check it out! Hadn't heard about it before.

    I have a Salomon Advanced Skin 5 and an Ultimate Direction AK Mountain 3.0 11L. Any of the major brands will have some quality products, and you can usually find them on sale from BC or REI.

    If the primary purpose is the 50k...you may not need it, depending on your pace, terrain, aid stations, comfort in mountains, and whether or not you're comfortable using hand bottles. If it's for the race (and possibly training runs), I would look for something 5L or less - you won't need to be carrying much than that for < 4 hour runs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKbruin View Post
    As a relatively new runner, I've been enjoying the local trail running at lot this summer. Here are a few photos of Tahoe-based trail-running zen:
    Are you living in Reno or in Lake Tahoe, AK? Reno has some great running groups that are awesome at welcoming people into trail running. And then maybe you can just run around all of Lake Tahoe...



    Had to share a (new) ridiculous video from Salomon on the badass Courtney Dauwalter, and her race at Tahoe 200.

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