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  1. #2301
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    Quote Originally Posted by doebedoe View Post
    I feel bad about going back and exchanging but I feel like this is why I paid retail in the first place.
    Betcha a buck that the local running shop won't get dinged on that return. The shoe company will almost certainly cover the return as part of their agreement with the shop. Like you said, that's why you paid full retail. Take em back asap. Running shouldn't hurt unless you want it to.
    Brandine: Now Cletus, if I catch you with pig lipstick on your collar one more time you ain't gonna be allowed to sleep in the barn no more!
    Cletus: Duly noted.

  2. #2302
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    the situation strikes me as WAY too much drama at this point

  3. #2303
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    Quote Originally Posted by doebedoe View Post
    Thanks, that's super helpful. I'm new to all of this and don't know how to sort out fact from myth. Spending $160 + tax on my first pair of real running shoes to have my knees hurt like this sucks.

    Just found the model on my old shoes, they are the NB 769 (https://www.runningshoesguru.com/200...-shoes-review/). I guess these are also a stability-ish shoe with a medial post. Guess maybe just too much in the new shoe or I'm not getting alone with the wave plate.

    I feel bad about going back and exchanging but I feel like this is why I paid retail in the first place.
    This is exactly why you pay retail for shoes! FWIW, I've been running in the Mizuno Wave Inspire for a few years. I thought I needed a high stability shoe, and even in the Inspire, I struggled with mild knee soreness after longer runs. I switched to the Saucony Liberty ISOs a couple weeks ago + Superfeet inserts. The Saucony Liberty ISO is a lower stability shoe than the Wave (also lighter and less ramp angle), and the gait analysis at the running shop showed my pronation actually improved with the new combination. The first run I noticed I was engaging my quads more, and I felt like my bodyweight moved slightly forward in the new shoes. I guess the old platform prevented me from engaging muscles I need for knee stability? It is worth your time to checkout out some shoes with less stability, and give some a try with less ramp angle too.

  4. #2304
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    Good beta -- thanks.

    I need another day or two for my knees to recover before I feel comfortable running at the store to figure out the next shoe to try. The Guide ISO was my 2nd choice, sounds like the Liberty ISO is a slightly less stability-focused, more premium version. I liked the ISO lacing system.

  5. #2305
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    Had a real shitty run today. 11 miles on rolling trails. Right before the turn around point I was feeling good and ran up the longest hill section pretty fast (for me). Then I couldn't cool down. Shuffled back to my car well below my normal easy pace, stopping to cool off in the shade multiple time. Still can't cool down five hours later. I'm running a mild fever (99.9). I had a plenty of water and some salt. Cold shower. It was hot today, but I've done plenty of runs on hot days recently. And the problem started after only 5 miles. What the fuck is going on? Am I just sick for real? Dehydrated? Only other time I felt like this was when I sat in a very hot hot tub for way to long. It feels like my thermostat broke.

  6. #2306
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    heat stroke-ish

  7. #2307
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    Yeah what GS said. Got heatstroke in college from a 3 hr intense crew practice. Felt off, could not cool down, was laying in bed feeling miserable and got up to call my folks to tell them I wasn’t feeling well. As soon as I stood up my vision tunneled until it was a pinhole, made it to the shower on autopilot, turned it on cold, and passed out fully clothed for duration unknown. Didn’t make the workout the following day.

  8. #2308
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    Running, Anyone...?

    ^^^Agree....heat stroke/dehydration. You can think you drank enough water, but on long runs in heat...itís never enough.

    Just keep hydrating...swim in a pool/take cool showers to get your core temp down.

    Good luck. Been there/done that....jumping in a swimming pool/lake after a long summer run is my cure. (Not this summer though, broke my foot last week off the side of crumbled PA road....Iím out 8-12 weeks)

  9. #2309
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    Thanks all. Laying under a few bags of ice now.

  10. #2310
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    If you have enough ice.....take a cold ďbathĒ. That will really bring your core temp down. Good for muscle recovery too. Itís damn cold though.

  11. #2311
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    I almost died of heat stroke back in 2001 ish. Well, it felt like death was near. Planned on 12-15 hour ridge hike on hot sunny day. Took Ripped Fuel to 'stay peppy' through out.

    About 6 hours in legs felt sluggish, stomach didn't want water , disconnected thinking.

    I aborted off high ridge and literally cart wheel down through alder thickets for 4000' to valley bottom.

    My one friend kept going, other followed me. I was trying to dodge sun beams filtering through the high high tree canopy. Got to flat terrain with head high devils clubs and down logs. Was gonna try to traverse long angle through forest to avoid sun on local bike path.

    Staggering , tunnel vision. Heard wind in the trees and looked up confused. Saw no wind then realized it was tiny creek 6" deep at my feet.

    I laid in shallow pool and was kind of sobbing while covered in black flies when friend caught up and luckily found me

    He was like 'wtf you doing bro?!'
    My level of consciousness had returned to normal but my body was fried.

    Staggered home, chugged liter of water every hour then pissed until midnight. So sore could not walk for a few days, then seriously fucked up for week after.

    Couldn't drink coffee for a year after that. System would fry. In retrospect I should have gone to doctor, probably had mild heart attack or some shit when I think back to the symptoms, lol

    What do they say, if yer gonna be dumb you gotta be tough

  12. #2312
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    My ability to run in extreme heat i

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    °”rale, vato!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viva View Post
    My ability to run in extreme heat has diminished considerably as I age. Can still do the 100 degree days, but only with a solid ramp up and provided that I dob't try for a mach looney pace.


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  14. #2314
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    Anyone try these Nike vaporfly 4%'s?

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...oe-strava.html

    I am looking for a racing shoe for my latest marathon attempt (my masters pr 330 a few years ago- hoping for a sub 325 this time out) . Was intrigued by these when I watched the sub 2 attempt

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    For the record, I go to my LRS cause I ride and run with the owner regularly, and I feel like a douche not getting my running shoes from him.

    However, Running Warehouse is awesome for shoes if you don't like your LRS, or don't have one, or don't want to pay full retail. Free two day shipping and free returns on new and used shoes (store credit). They were my go-to before the LRS opened. Order a couple sizes of the shoes you're interested in, and send back the ones that don't fit. Coupons can be found with some Google-fu.
    Remind me. We'll send him a red cap and a Speedo.

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    Ugh, 2:15am wake up tomorrow, swimming by 4:30 in 55 deg water for 2.6 miles then bike 115 miles with 4500 vert then run 20 miles xcountry then 7 more miles on the mountain with 5000 vert just for kicks ... It is 10:40pm I should be sleeping

  17. #2317
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    So, what are you going to do after breakfast?

    I agree it is a constitutional right for Americans to be assholes...its just too bad that so many take the opportunity...
    iscariot

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    go get 'em carp

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    Had breakfast of 1 banana, followed by a cornucopia of gels and bars and smoked salmon and electrolyte water and coke and water from random streams throughout the day lol I feel like I nailed my nutrition for what is worth. Only almost barfed a couple times.

    I was around 40th out of water at 1:28 then got off bike around 20th at 6:20 then lost 15 spots on 20 mile run but gained back 14 on mountain to end up 21st overall, 18th male, 5th Alaskan total time 15:14:30. So much pain along the way , tunnel vision woozy at last climb. Makes me reconsider the appeal of such suffering.

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    FKNA, glad you not only survived, but kicked some butt.

    I have no desire to.suffer like that.

    I agree it is a constitutional right for Americans to be assholes...its just too bad that so many take the opportunity...
    iscariot

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    Finishing that is impressive...
    Well done!

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpathian View Post
    Makes me reconsider the appeal of such suffering.
    Yeah, yeah, yeah... By now, you're already planning your next race.
    °”rale, vato!

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    ^lol, this is probably true!
    Way to get after it!

    So, I am running a trail half marathon next weekend and a 25k the following weekend. What’s the best way to recover during the week? Should I plan on any easy runs during the week, or just walks? I am going to treat the two races more like training runs and not worry about speed/time. I have another 25k two weeks later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2bjenny View Post
    ^lol, this is probably true!
    Way to get after it!

    So, I am running a trail half marathon next weekend and a 25k the following weekend. Whatís the best way to recover during the week? Should I plan on any easy runs during the week, or just walks? I am going to treat the two races more like training runs and not worry about speed/time. I have another 25k two weeks later.
    If you're approaching these as training runs, just train like you normally would during the week. Walk, run, or jog depending on how you feel. But if half marathon distance is your current ceiling, stick with shorter runs.

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    Beast mode, damn. Enjoy the fitness while you have it. Go do some huge traverses n shit in the mountains and don't just be a racer dweeb 😎.
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