The Backcountry JONG thread

[LeeLau]

Keywords: Backcountry JONG Beginner Newb Naxo Freeride Dynafit Avalanche Equipment Skinning Gear Equipment

In a probably futile attempt to index some of the collective wisdom of this board and other boards here's some useful links.

AVALANCHE INCIDENTS

avi # 2 baker (Successful rescue of a deep buried victim)

First person account of Berthoud Pass avvy rescue Nov 2005 (Unsuccessful rescue of a victim buried without a tranSceiver)

Going to Dig up a Dead Guy, a TR of Sorts (Unsuccessful rescue of a victim buried without a transceiver, some basic first aid discussion)

Triage: multiple burials and one rescuer (slightly more advanced and technical discussion of protocol in multiple burial situations)

Sobering Avy Story (experienced party are caught in an avalanche in a couloir)


First hand Avalanche account, Decker, 2002 (experienced skier retains enough awareness of escape routes to avoid a burial)

You might be in Avy conditions when.... (numerous videos)


Scared in Slow Motion -- Avalanche Burial Story

GLACIER CREVASSE INCIDENTS

Cham...a crevassholes story (entertainingly told from victim's perspective with some rescue description)

[TR] Mt Rainier- Emmons Glacier 7/17/2005

WEATHER

Weather Information for Backcountry Travel (British Columbia coast mountains centric)

Winter Weather Patterns in Western Canadian Mountains

CairnPublishing's links - possibly the best collection of links for British Columbia backcountry information.

Northwest Weather and Avalanche Center

BOOKS AND COURSES

Avalanche Awareness resources - TGR - Telemarktips

Online Avalanche refresher course

Avalanche awareness classes in Sea to Sky corridor of BC - see here for rest of Canada

Book to study prior to Avalanche Class?

Avalanche Safety Classes

HUMAN FACTORS

Introducing wife to Backcountry? (human factors in interesting a partner in trying out backcountry touring)

SUMMIT FEVER (human factors in goal-setting)

s%*t we should turn around thread (more human factors in goal-setting)

Guide for a Day- The Dynamics of Accidental Leadership and TTIPS discussion (insightful article on group dynamics)

Ian MacCammon's excellent article on heuristic traps

MAPS AND ROUTE FINDING

Route Finding-- why do you want to go that way?

Top Ten Ways that Map Reading keeps you Avy-Safe (links to David Spring article on importance of map reading and route finding plus lots of opinions) and more discussion also from TTIPs

Trail Repository site (resource for generating 1:20,000 basemaps of British Columbia from generally accurate but frustratingly slow BC government website. Allows creation of UTM grids and plotting waypoints)

Marked up versions of some popular BC area touring places with placenames

Topo software



EXPEDITION AND TRIP PLANNING

Jim Frankenfeld Organized Trips page (awesome way to organize a trip and herd cats)

BASIC FIRST AID AND RESCUE


Welcome to OECzone.com



TECHNIQUE

Getting started in the Backcountry - by APD

First and Ten Beacon Practise

Hasty pits

Skinning Efficiently - TGR version - TTips version

TGR Conway's Corner (grab bag of excellent general articles

MEC's Avalanche Awareness Series

GEAR

The Lite Weight Gear Thread

Ideas for saving weight on rope plus biner combination - see comments by andrew mclean/AT Apostle

Recommended Beacon/probe/Shovel List

Tools of the Trade--avy gear--what do you carry?

Glacier Harness (covers off basic kit for crevasse rescue and glacier travel)

Avalung Survivor

ABS Avy Pack-Who's buying one this season?


Burliest AT setup - (caution lots of dickswinging, some good advice though on why big aggressive skiers would want to go with Trekkers)

Who Has the Burliest Dynafit Setup?

AT Boots in Alpine Bindings - Controlled Test

Using Mountaineering Boots with AT binders?

Saloman Ellipse E2 as an AT boot

Silvretta Pure Reviews

Ski Crampons-tis the season

Potentially Useful Info on Dynafit Bindings

Fritschi toepiece field repair question and Fritschi Freeride spring problem

Towing a Gear Sled

Regluing Skins

Tips for using Trekkers

Fritschi Freeride breakage


Advice from skier666?!? - AT boots vs alpine boots

[leroy jenkins]

Holy shit man, good on ya.

Nothing to add really, just wanted to post in what I'm sure will be an important thread, and commend you for your effort.

[LightRanger]

Thanks a lot for compiling that stuff LeeL.

[Arno]

Thanks for compiling this. I'm sure I've looked at all those threads at some point or another but it's great to have them all in one place

[shera]

Good thread. Maybe a book list would help too. Snow Sense for starters.

[klar]

thanks for putting that together. the glacier harness link is not working. maybe you mean this.

[BushwackerinPA]

sticky? I got to check this stuff out when I have time

Thanks LeeLau

[smalls]

seconded on the book list (and snow sense). also "staying alive in avalanche terrain".
i'd never seen that online refresher course dealy, cool stuff.
thanks leelau.

[Rontele]

I would also include AKPM's how not to travel in avalanche terrain thread.

[Trashcan]

Thanks Lee...sticky please!!

[TeleHoar]

Don't forget about the thread on how to use a common studfinder as an avalanche beacon!

[lax]

yea sticky this in tech talk

[BushwackerinPA]

Don't forget about the thread on how to use a common studfinder as an avalanche beacon!

thanks for the reread that thrad is awesome

[El Kanone]

Nice work Lee. The intended point of this tread was to impress upon beginner backcountry skiers the importance of an avalanche beacon and CPR skills.
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=64222

[Danno]

I was up Butler Gulch yesterday, and was amazed at how people can have the "equipment" but not practice any avy safety at all. We climbed up to this chute, 2 pairs fo skiers had gone before us. I round the corner to find one woman on the track across the chute, choosing this spot to de-skin. Her partner is above her, de-skinning as well. 2 people are on the other side of the chute, I thought they were being smart, but apparently not.

The woman in the middle sees me eventually and apologizes for being in the way, I tell her it's ok because I wouldn't cross the chute while she was out there anyway. Can't tell if she knew why I said that or not. Anyhow, she skis down, partner waits a bit and skis after her. The people across also ask me if their in my way, I say no, I can wait, I'd have to wait until they both go anyhow. I thought they got it, but the guy skis down, and the girls skis down 10 seconds latre while he is still in the chute!

Now, there was very little likelihood of this chute sliding, but it most definitely was capable of sliding. What the fuck is the point of carrying the packs and the shovels and beacons and stuff if you ski on top of each other in an avy chute????

[Particle]

Solid work LeeL. Sick. I'd completely forgotten about that burly AT thread I started...heh.

[hemas]

I'm just here to put my name on the 1st page...

Nice work LeeLau.

[leroy jenkins]

Good thread. Maybe a book list would help too. Snow Sense for starters.

And it seems like common sense to me, but maybe a jong checklist of steps you need to take/equipment you need to have before heading out there.

Avy I Class

Beacon/Shovel/Probe.

And PRACTICE

And maybe someone wants to draft up a generic paragraph just explaining why backcountry can be so dangerous, and how newbs should go about starting small and safely.

I know a lot of people that aren't neccesary the TGR/backcountry crowd stumble across TR's here, and some might get the wrong idea about the bc. A link to this thread would be a nice thing to have at the end of TR's.

[soul_skier]

practice!!!!!!!!!!

[LeeLau]

Thanks for the reminders. Added sections on Human Factors, on Glacier travel and other random stuff. Please keep reminding me if more to be added that is useful.

[Clack]

I am a backcountry jong and I approve your post.

[Jim S]

Thank you for this thread.

[ecobrad]

So, does the stud finder only work if you've got wood?

[KillingCokes]

Great thread Lee. Thanks for putting this up

[summit]

This thread should be stickied in the Slide Zone
STRONG WORK!