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08-27-2006, 10:48 AM #76Originally Posted by Squatch
Just my $0.02.
Keep it alive.
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08-27-2006, 12:26 PM #77Originally Posted by upallnight
UAN, this is not directed at you but more of a general statement and in response to spoode.
just to join the shit show of off topic posts, anyone who's seen the teton range knows that buck has some fully involved lines on the mountain. imo, the east face was done first b/c of its visibility, location and relative ease of descent. if this is directed toward the tourists, then it is probably welcomed information. if it is a prod to raise someones self esteem..... yeah we know, water is still wet.
why does it matter which line is more respected by some guy with a guide book or someone who'd done them all for that matter. some people skied a line and shared their experince with others who mostly seemed to enjoy that they did. if you can't respect that, then you shouldn't be reading the net but rather out doing whatever you need to make yourself feel bigger and more bad than the next ego stepping stone.
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08-27-2006, 02:07 PM #78Originally Posted by upallnight
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08-27-2006, 02:25 PM #79Originally Posted by AltaPowderDaze
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08-27-2006, 02:35 PM #80Originally Posted by spooodOriginally Posted by spooodOriginally Posted by spoood
Speaking of reading way too much into other people's posts, you were the one insinuating that I was spraying about "being too good for avalanche class," seems you're the one coming across with the insecure vibe.
And UAN, nice of you get your fellow Teton-er's back and all, but really the spoood doood's attitoood is just tooo croood and roood if you review his grand total of what - 17 posts.
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08-27-2006, 02:55 PM #81Originally Posted by gramps
Anyway, I'm buying one. I won't use it all the time. But it doesn't matter what I'm getting, this is a discussion about the product itself.
Summit, the cost is high. But think about a beacon. It's simple electronics for over $300. I agree the cost is high on the pack, but I can work 12 hours of OT and have plenty of money to buy one. That's one 12 hour shift. No big deal for me. For an $8/hr ski shop employee, it might be a different story.
STOP THE DICK WAVING BUCK MTN BANTER-WHO GIVES A FUCK
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08-27-2006, 03:09 PM #82User
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I've learned something from this thread, I'm going to nursing school.
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08-27-2006, 03:16 PM #83Originally Posted by flykdog
Go to Weber, it's in your neck of the woods.
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08-27-2006, 03:25 PM #84User
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Originally Posted by Trackhead
Sorry for the thread hi-jack.
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08-27-2006, 03:40 PM #85Originally Posted by Trackhead
I agree the cost is high on the pack, but I can work 12 hours of OT and have plenty of money to buy one. That's one 12 hour shift. No big deal for me. For an $8/hr ski shop employee, it might be a different story.
The $8/hr ski shop employee needs 100 hours of OVERTIME to get the Escape 30L /w cannisters (not counting payroll taxes).
In Colorado terms, one of those packs costs as much as 2 weeks of skiing and lodging at Silverton, or season passes to Winter Park, Copper Mountain, Loveland, Vail, Beaver Creek, Keystone, Breckenridge, Arapahoe Basin, and Eudora with money left over for a 4-pack to Aspen, Crested Butte or Steamboat.
On a carefull budget you could get an entire touring setup: skis, boots, touring bindings, skins, beacon, shovel, probe, pack, an Avi 1 class, and maybe an avalung too for the same price of just an ABS pack system.Last edited by Summit; 08-27-2006 at 03:57 PM.
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08-27-2006, 04:10 PM #86Originally Posted by Tri-Ungulate
odds are I'll know for sure in under 5 days ....
IF IT HAPPENS...... (and I think it will)
guide size ones for $400 or less
guest size ones for $300 or less.
I'm not sure if I'll ski on hill with one, might keep one around for the bit of touring I do.... Just another tool to help you (like knowledge, beacon, helmet, release bindings etc)
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08-27-2006, 05:16 PM #87Originally Posted by gramps
Try this for that stat & many more which might also have some connection to this thread: http://204.174.223.43/avalanche/accident/trends.html"if it's called tourist season, why can't we just shoot them?"
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08-27-2006, 11:50 PM #88
These extra pieces of safety equipment are a funny thing, it's such a personal decision as to whether or not to buy in.
I'll be honest, I've heard of these backpacks for a few years, and I always thought of them as kind of a European gimmick, not really suited for backcountry touring. But I guess it does have a couple big things going for it as compared to the Avalung (which I don't use, partly because of these reasons): You almost always are wearing your pack, whereas you've got to keep the Avalung on your outside layer, which makes it inconvenient when you're layering up and down, it seems like most people just keep it in their pack on the uphill. Personally, with the exposed steep skintracks we often lay around here, I'm more worried on the uphill sometimes. (The new avalung backpack has solved this one) Second, it's easy to pull a ripcord, not so easy to put and keep a tube in your mouth during an avalanche.
This is a good thread, it definitely has me questioning the way I think about this stuff. (no helmet, no avalung has been my choice) I'd be a lot more inclined to go for the Avalung backpack than this ABS pack though. It seems like they both accomplish the same thing, but the Avalung pack is a lot cheaper and lighter. Why bother with the ABS? Assuming you have competent partners to find you and rescue you of course. Solo, the ABS would be the obvious choice.
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08-28-2006, 12:19 AM #89
i agree with summit, the cost seems unreasonably high. the argument that "is your life worth X dollars?" is besides the point. if the packs were $10,000 you could still make the same argument. it's more of a question of "am i getting my asshole reemed when i buy this?" i just don't see where the real value is in these packs. fear sells.
i would love to have one, but for the current price i would rather just say "i'm not going today". saves me $1200 and i keeps me 100% safe.
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08-28-2006, 12:27 AM #90Originally Posted by gramps
(i'm certain you already know that, just clarifying for those reading the thread in the future.)
anyway, i'm unlikely to buy an ABS pack this year, but if they sold a cannister to add to an existing pack (or improved the pack design + lowered the cost), i'd consider it. i'll keep my eye on it for the future.
oh...one more point: the folks i know that do use avalungs (generally guides) tell me that it really isn't that hard to get the tube in your mouth -- seems to me it would be tough, but that isn't their (first-hand) experience. the skeptic in me imagines a rip cord flopping around and being tough to grab with gloves...or the pack getting ripped from your back pretty quick. 6 of one, 1/2 dozen of the other?
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08-28-2006, 07:32 AM #91
Too bad Black Diamond doesn't put some R&D into this ABS stuff. They are so creative, I bet they could come up with a more functional, lighter product.
When I get mine, anyone in Utah is welcome to use it for a day, or just check it out. I'll let you know when I have it.
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08-28-2006, 08:23 AM #92Originally Posted by Summit
As for the abs pack its seems like good tecnology that will only get better and cheaper. I dont really see getting one this season ,will have to be content w/ my touring decisions and skills of my partners. I would guess they have a fairly stong patent or BD would be looking into making there own. Avalung and Abs in a intergrated pack would be sweet. Under $$$ 200 would be even sweeter."When the child was a child it waited patiently for the first snow and it still does"- Van "The Man" Morrison
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08-28-2006, 02:36 PM #93Registered User
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Sooner or later I will buy one. Maybe this season.
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09-06-2006, 04:12 PM #94
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=60731
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