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  1. #13201
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    Not sure what all these apparent new residents are doing in their free time but they certainly don't seem to be hitting the trails. Weather has been fantastic and the only people I see out riding are the same "locals" from the last decade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoooR View Post
    Not sure what all these apparent new residents are doing in their free time but they certainly don't seem to be hitting the trails. Weather has been fantastic and the only people I see out riding are the same "locals" from the last decade.

    The onslaught is coming.

  3. #13203
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    It's because they're all here.

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    So, is this going to put the brakes on RE west of Kansas, and make all of those cheap homes near the Great Lakes look attractive again? Doubtful. You never know.

    https://apnews.com/article/arizona-c...50459f3dcb771f

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  5. #13205
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    Our water bill is about $150 a month. What would it take for people to move? $1k a month bills?
    Quote Originally Posted by leroy jenkins View Post
    I think you'd have an easier time understanding people if you remembered that 80% of them are fucking morons.
    That is why I like dogs, more than most people.

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    The PNW part of the West is not in a drought, and is forecasted to become wetter with climate change, so not all the West is fucked. And the vast majority of water use for dry states like CA is for agricultural use. So when the water becomes tight you will see farms disappear before sprawling residential developments. And you will see more of your winter produce being imported from South America and Asia instead of coming from CA and Mexico (Mexico's main agricultural zone relies on Colorado River water).

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    Quote Originally Posted by liv2ski View Post
    Our water bill is about $150 a month. What would it take for people to move? $1k a month bills?
    It's not even a matter of money. It's a matter of literally rationing water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liv2ski View Post
    Our water bill is about $150 a month. What would it take for people to move? $1k a month bills?
    That’s insane.
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  9. #13209
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    Yeah, I would think that for plenty of average Americans a monthly water bill in the $150-200 range would be enough to make them consider moving.
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  10. #13210
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    Quote Originally Posted by liv2ski View Post
    Our water bill is about $150 a month. What would it take for people to move? $1k a month bills?
    I think turning on the kitchen faucet and no water coming out would probably motivate people to move.
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  11. #13211
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    The cities on the coast, where Live2ski is, might actually have that $1000/month option if that supports a desalinization plant. But yep, the agriculture is gone, and wealth disparity affecting those who can't afford the price of aqua will not make some areas pleasant to live. And when looking at the climate models, remember that there is great uncertainty as to the timing of precip where precip is predicted to rise. Too much rain in places where now it mostly falls as snow in winter will bring it's own challenges (and disasters).

  12. #13212
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toadman View Post
    I think turning on the kitchen faucet and no water coming out would probably motivate people to move.
    Well sure, but as BCMH said in CA we could do desalinization plants, but at what cost? All I know is most everything keeps going up in price and water for sure will.
    Quote Originally Posted by leroy jenkins View Post
    I think you'd have an easier time understanding people if you remembered that 80% of them are fucking morons.
    That is why I like dogs, more than most people.

  13. #13213
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    Quote Originally Posted by Core Shot View Post
    That’s insane.
    Pfft, my daughters is $300+ a month on her duplex.
    Quote Originally Posted by leroy jenkins View Post
    I think you'd have an easier time understanding people if you remembered that 80% of them are fucking morons.
    That is why I like dogs, more than most people.

  14. #13214
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    Ted Striker:
    What's your opinion of this area? My wife said she visited a friend's house near there and it seemed kind of remote to her. Looks pretty nice to me.
    https://www.redfin.com/WA/Ferndale/4..._campaign=copy

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    AD, how long until teh global warmingz put it underwater? Otherwise a nice place.
    Quote Originally Posted by leroy jenkins View Post
    I think you'd have an easier time understanding people if you remembered that 80% of them are fucking morons.
    That is why I like dogs, more than most people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liv2ski View Post
    AD, how long until teh global warmingz put it underwater? Otherwise a nice place.
    Good question. "Low-bank waterfront" might not be the draw it once was, at least on salt water.

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    Yeah, it's low bank alright. Like on stormy days the waves splash onto your patio.

    Sandy Point is kind of strange in that it's (sort of) luxury waterfront homes but to get there you'll pass a lot of less-than-luxury properties.

    It's technically on the Lummi Reservation, but I believe those properties are freehold in perpetuity. It's on tribal (well) water and sewer, but I think the garbage is private (SSC). Unless things have changed, there's no gas line, so everything is electric or you have to have a propane tank.

    As non-native owned private property I think the property tax is the same as it would be living in the county, although there could be some additional stuff tacked on by the tribe (?) But really the biggest thing about owning there is that you don't have a say in your lowest level of local government.

    It has the reputation of essentially being a retirement community, sprinkled with a few second homes for wealthy Canadians.

    It's also in the middle of nowhere because there's nothing between it and Ferndale, about 20 minutes away. Even though Ferndale real estate has gentrified to the point where the Ferntucky moniker probably no longer applies, it's still a pretty sleepy little downtown. If you take the freeway, Bellingham is 30 mins. Canadian border is about the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liv2ski View Post
    Pfft, my daughters is $300+ a month on her duplex.
    Ok. Wow. But if water is $300 a month, that might be a sign that humans shouldn’t be there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by liv2ski View Post
    Our water bill is about $150 a month. What would it take for people to move? $1k a month bills?
    I pay 250 a month for June July August and sept....no problem.

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    No one said it was a problem you insufferable cunt. Just putting a data point out there.
    Quote Originally Posted by leroy jenkins View Post
    I think you'd have an easier time understanding people if you remembered that 80% of them are fucking morons.
    That is why I like dogs, more than most people.

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    My wife complains that gas heat is $350 in the winter.

    Paying $150-250 a month for water? Divorce.
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    Babbitt, by Sinclair Lewis

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    First, they ban the pools...

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    Moving the farming to where the water is (vertical farming etc.) is making more and more sense. All the old mill towns of the northeast were built there for one reason: plentiful, reliable water. Currently that water just flows to the ocean but it doesn't have to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ötzi View Post
    Moving the farming to where the water is (vertical farming etc.) is making more and more sense. All the old mill towns of the northeast were built there for one reason: plentiful, reliable water. Currently that water just flows to the ocean but it doesn't have to.
    I drove thru North Adams on my way to Mt. Snow one time this winter. The place is on the map because of MOCA, but, man, there is still a ton of old industrial buildings along the water just waiting for that.

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    “Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously.”
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