Real Estate Crash thread

**skaredshtles** · 10-17-2019, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by AdironRider

<snip> Plus anyone who has managed people before knows at least some of them are going to slack off.

In my experience, an office environment may not actually affect slacking off...

**dunfree** · 10-17-2019, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by skaredshtles

Untrue. Boomers are REALLY bad, IME, at figuring technology shit out. Anything new? Can't figure it out. And the only constant, especially in IT, is change.

In your defense, though, almost all tech kinda sucks. It's really nice to occasionally (rarely?) come across some technology that's really good (i.e. just works).

not a boomer but that's only my experience with boomers that encountered tech late in life.

what I have noticed is millenials are really, really keen to fetishize tech. put the task on a website, or even better an app, and they won't care it takes 10 times as long as calling someone on the phone or just moving the fucking thing in real life, the millenials will happily sit chugging away at that shitty screen.

**skaredshtles** · 10-17-2019, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Benny Profane

Oh boy. Listen, young man, I really hope you have your job forever , (haha, forever is like five years these days), because bragging about your glorious life in the mountains while you're happy that somebody gets all the work at the home office, and then, if you are in an office, plot to screw the girls, a really really smart move, especially in these MeToo days, is a really really bad life plan. Unless, of course, you are a walking talking product of nepotism. Or just waiting for your inheritance.

At least you can get fired by email. No, awkward, please come down to conference room B with your key card.

I ain't worried - and no, there's no nepotism or inheritance involved. There are a shitload of jobs available in my field. If they decide they don't want me... <shrug> kick me to the curb.

Perhaps there will be a time that this isn't the case... but hopefully I can throw a middle finger to the whole thing at that point. If not, I'll sort it out.

**skiballs** · 10-17-2019, 01:39 PM

How's the real estate market?

**Benny Profane** · 10-17-2019, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by skaredshtles

I ain't worried - and no, there's no nepotism or inheritance involved. There are a shitload of jobs available in my field. If they decide they don't want me... <shrug> kick me to the curb.

Perhaps there will be a time that this isn't the case... but hopefully I can throw a middle finger to the whole thing at that point. If not, I'll sort it out.

Old and poor sucks.

**skaredshtles** · 10-17-2019, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Benny Profane

Old and poor sucks.

I can imagine...

**Benny Profane** · 10-17-2019, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by skaredshtles

I can imagine...

No, really. There's a certain point when your age will be a liability, and that's going to be sooner than you think. Especially these days. 1.5 trillion in student debt has created a class of really hungry, ruthless people. And that's not a bug, that's a feature.

There's a time when you won't have second chances anymore. Good luck with that.

**skaredshtles** · 10-17-2019, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Benny Profane

No, really. There's a certain point when your age will be a liability, and that's going to be sooner than you think. Especially these days. 1.5 trillion in student debt has created a class of really hungry, ruthless people. And that's not a bug, that's a feature.

Heh. None of them want to do IT Operations... besides - it's a dead-end, 'cause we're all gonna get automated out of our jobs.

There's a time when you won't have second chances anymore. Good luck with that.

Yeah - I'll be retired prior to that time...

**yeahman** · 10-17-2019, 02:27 PM

I've been working remotely for ten years. It helps if you're one of the people in the trenches actually bringing in the product that generates the company's revenue, and said revenue is easily trackable to you. If they know you're producing at an acceptable rate, they usually don't fuck with you. I did have a boss a few years ago (came and went like they all do) who really did not like the fact that I work 2,000 miles away, and brought it up every time we had communication--reminded me of my mom--but he dealt with it because the bottom line was all that mattered in the end, that and the fact that I have some expertise that's a little unusual for my field.

But yeah, I do sometimes miss the social aspect of having officemates (probably why I'm on TGR with you losers lol). And yeah, it stunted any sort of opportunities for advancement I might have had. Didn't matter to me but definitely matters to some. Of course it really varies depending on your line of work. My job is just well suited to this arrangement.

**Self Jupiter** · 10-17-2019, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by skiballs

How's the real estate market?

**Harry** · 10-17-2019, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by skiballs

How's the real estate market?

I know, right ?

The last 10 pages of the Real Estate thread are (a) a bunch of rich people arguing that they are really middle class, (b) millennials complaining about boomers, or (c) people who work in an office complaining about the furious masterbation going on by remote workers.

I need some info on Real Estate, maybe I will head over to PugSki and see what the Pugazoids have to say about it.

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**fastfred** · 10-17-2019, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by skiballs

How's the real estate market?

shitty as always
people paying 500 - 700 a sq ft for shit box ski town real estate yes
people balking at a 150 dollar a sq ft upgrade yes
taxes going up because people paying too much for real estate yes
my home worth three times what I paid yes
do I give a shit no
does the real estate market in ohio suck balls yes
is the real estate market in colorado over inflated yes
is mountain town real estate over inflated no cause there are only so many ski towns
will I get a blow job tonight yes

**skaredshtles** · 10-17-2019, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by fastfred

shitty as always
people paying 500 - 700 a sq ft for shit box ski town real estate yes
people balking at a 150 dollar a sq ft upgrade yes
taxes going up because people paying too much for real estate yes
my home worth three times what I paid yes
do I give a shit no
does the real estate market in ohio suck balls yes
is the real estate market in colorado over inflated yes
is mountain town real estate over inflated no cause there are only so many ski towns
will I get a blow job tonight yes

Dammit. Fred wins the internet AGAIN.

**schuss** · 10-17-2019, 03:44 PM

Once rural America gets decent internet there will be a case for universal remote work that may bring down peak prices in cities. until then no chance.

**Benny Profane** · 10-17-2019, 03:51 PM

Oh yeah, forgot that one. That's big. My girlfriend lived on an estate close to town, but just far enough to have to depend on satellite. It totally sucked.

5G was supposed to fix that, but, don't hold your breath.

**skaredshtles** · 10-17-2019, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by schuss

Once rural America gets decent internet

Careful... that sounds a lot like SOCIALISM!!

**LesterSmoove** · 10-17-2019, 03:52 PM

okay, how the hell does anyone pay $230k for a 900 square foot 1-BDR condo in a field just outside of loveland, colorado? https://www.hartfordco.com/colorado-...hantment-ridge. not even a "luxury" condo, and no on-site amenities either. strikes me as poor quality construction too. drove past this in july and couldn't believe the sign that said "from the low 200s".

there is still so much land surrounding fort collins and loveland to build cheap tract homes. currently many of those subdivisions are advertised as "from the mid 400s". I keep reading that there aren't enough construction workers to keep up with demand in CO. downtown Fort Collins, city of Denver, and other appealing locations near jobs might have sustainable gains, but yeah, my uneducated ass says the prices being asked for shit construction in old wheatfields in northern colorado are unsustainable.

**skaredshtles** · 10-17-2019, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by schuss

Once rural America gets decent internet there will be a case for universal remote work that may bring down peak prices in cities. until then no chance.

Recently saw spool after spool of plastic pipe on the drive from Pinedale, WY to Rock Springs... fiber possibly on the way up to Pinedale??

**MiddleOfNight** · 10-17-2019, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by LesterSmoove

okay, how the hell does anyone pay $230k for a 900 square foot 1-BDR condo in a field just outside of loveland, colorado?
<snip>
but yeah, my uneducated ass says the prices being asked for shit construction in old wheatfields in northern colorado are unsustainable.

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I miss the fields.

the growth of the northern front range is mind boggling. Assuming population continues to explode, and CO is still more desirable than other places?
Aside from a few corrections the RE market will have to trend north east. I'm not a RE guy, or an economist .. but is it as simple as supply and demand? Seems like it. Sure some people who buy right before these corrections will lose some money - but long term, things will be fine.

**Toadman** · 10-17-2019, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by skaredshtles

Wait. Didn't you just recently move there??

Yes, I'm a hypocrite. But I'm just joining the chorus on NIMBY now that I'm a "local".

**skaredshtles** · 10-17-2019, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by Toadman

Yes, I'm a hypocrite. But I'm just joining the chorus on NIMBY now that I'm a "local".

'Tis the 'Murcan way, after all...

**rideit** · 10-17-2019, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by skaredshtles

Recently saw spool after spool of plastic pipe on the drive from Pinedale, WY to Rock Springs... fiber possibly on the way up to Pinedale??

No singletrack near Pinedale.
HARD NO

**skaredshtles** · 10-17-2019, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by rideit

No singletrack near Pinedale.
HARD NO

I dunno - I saw some when I was up there over Labor Day.

**LesterSmoove** · 10-17-2019, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by MiddleOfNight

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I miss the fields.

the growth of the northern front range is mind boggling. Assuming population continues to explode, and CO is still more desirable than other places?
Aside from a few corrections the RE market will have to trend north east. I'm not a RE guy, or an economist .. but is it as simple as supply and demand? Seems like it. Sure some people who buy right before these corrections will lose some money - but long term, things will be fine.

I get it to a degree. oil, tech jobs, some long-established big employers, many people with wildly long commutes to denver, telecommuters, but there is just so much land, especially on the east of i70. this isn't a hemmed in mountain town valley.

I miss the fields too, but if people are going to keep moving there, I hope they keep building and building so that this shithole condo doesn't start selling for 400k.

more uneducated rambling, but I wonder...if big corporate homebuilders in CO could put up cheap worker dorms or trailer parks and advertise in hopeless midwest fentanyl towns about decent pay for low-skill laborers in colorado paradise, couldn't they put more homes up faster?

there has to be a way for a place with so much land to grow in population without such crazy prices. yes, downtown denver or the most appealing locations near mountain biking and hiking will keep going up hard, but I'm talking about damn loveland. I know there's good biking and RMNP is close, but it's loveland.