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  1. #19476
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    $1.5 M in Bellingham gets you a spec house with a rendering created in MS Paint
    https://www.redfin.com/WA/Bellingham.../home/15810508

    As a gamer, this may be more offensive than the $600k meth shack

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  2. #19477
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    @Benny Portland, ME

  3. #19478
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazderati View Post
    @Benny Portland, ME
    Now I remember your ‘thinking about moving to Maine thread’

    Where in Portland?


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    Quote Originally Posted by snapt View Post
    ID has real strict laws about Government budgets increasing per year, usually capped at 3%. Thus to give COLA's just at the rate of inflation they have to rob from elsewhere in the budget. It's why cities in the treasure valley put building moratoriums into place during the height of the pandemic, population growth was insane but with limitations on budget growth services can't come close to keeping up.
    So if Im reading this correctly, a smaller government is needed to keep the income generators( aka new housing) from contributing to the tax base, in order to keep government…small?

    Great logic

  5. #19480
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    Christ, has any of those shoppers lived through a Portland winter?

    The world is perfect. Appreciate the details.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan_pdx View Post
    $1.5 M in Bellingham gets you a spec house with a rendering created in MS Paint
    And unless someone cuts those trees down, it won't even have a view.

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  7. #19482
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    Quote Originally Posted by ticketchecker View Post
    Now I remember your ‘thinking about moving to Maine thread’

    Where in Portland?


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    West End. 1900s brick place with a yard, a garage, and some ivy. Ran across it last year on a virtual walk around the neighborhood when the house around the corner was for sale. If I recall correctly the other house was comparable in size without the yard and sold for less than half of this one.

    I've been planning to move north for a year now but timing got shuffled for myriad reasons. Had a 'where the fuck do I want to live' tour lined up from Newport to Portland at the end of December but covfefe pushed it out.


    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Christ, has any of those shoppers lived through a Portland winter?
    Anything you can do to get the word out that Portland sucks to drive prices back down is appreciated. TIA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snapt View Post
    ID has real strict laws about Government budgets increasing per year, usually capped at 3%. Thus to give COLA's just at the rate of inflation they have to rob from elsewhere in the budget. It's why cities in the treasure valley put building moratoriums into place during the height of the pandemic, population growth was insane but with limitations on budget growth services can't come close to keeping up.
    That is an exceptionally ill conceived policy. I've heard about that from someone else, but have never been able to find the actual law(s). Do you happen to know what the laws that control that 3% increase are?

    Our local school district pay scale starts teachers $35k and caps out at $65k after 10 years of service with an advanced degree in a place where you can't buy a house for less than $800k. We're not going to have teachers if we don't find a way to fix that.

  9. #19484
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    ID politicians are probably just fine with having no teachers. An ignorant population is easy to manipulate.
    ride bikes, climb, ski, travel, cook, work to fund former, repeat.

  10. #19485
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazderati View Post
    West End. 1900s brick place with a yard, a garage, and some ivy. Ran across it last year on a virtual walk around the neighborhood when the house around the corner was for sale. If I recall correctly the other house was comparable in size without the yard and sold for less than half of this one.

    I've been planning to move north for a year now but timing got shuffled for myriad reasons. Had a 'where the fuck do I want to live' tour lined up from Newport to Portland at the end of December but covfefe pushed it out.




    Anything you can do to get the word out that Portland sucks to drive prices back down is appreciated. TIA.
    I just think that there are going to be a shitload of people that went into a bidding war in a place they maybe only visited, if that, sitting there with crappy cable, if they even have cable, in the middle of a dismal winter, with Jack shit around them and the closest food market a half hour away, thinking, to quote David Byrne, what have I done? We've learned recently that their beloved Peloton bikes are now clothes hangers, so that's over, and I'll bet it's only a matter of time before they come to their senses and go home.

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  11. #19486
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    benny will shut the fuck up
    sometimes you say something that is logical
    but whens the last time you been to portland?
    fuck portland has been on the up and up for decades
    it's an awesome place and would be the bomb to live in the city limits the closer to congress st the better
    when J's oyster disappears yeah portland is doomed until then nope
    spent my youth getting absolutely fucked up down by the piers and it was awesome
    would consider moving there today seriously

  12. #19487
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    Oh, sure, you and I and a lot of skiers. But most people don't ski. They saw Portland in August, and now they're stuck there in January ready to murder someone.

    The world is perfect. Appreciate the details.

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    It's not that bad, the ocean definitely has a moderating influence. Much milder than 10 miles inland. Most days somewhere around 30, plus or minus. Damp cold when it's gray, which is pretty often.

    I love that place, we almost bought there before we bought here but big-city amenities within an hour's drive were eventually judged to be a requirement by herself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevo View Post
    That is an exceptionally ill conceived policy. I've heard about that from someone else, but have never been able to find the actual law(s). Do you happen to know what the laws that control that 3% increase are?

    Our local school district pay scale starts teachers $35k and caps out at $65k after 10 years of service with an advanced degree in a place where you can't buy a house for less than $800k. We're not going to have teachers if we don't find a way to fix that.
    I want to be perfectly clear that I think the education funding in Idaho is abmismal and should be changed. Also that I bet we'd get along in real life. But need to point out that I'm not shocked that someone recently moved to Idaho and then doesn't like how Idaho does it. These houses didn't used to be $800k until a bunch of people moved here.

    https://tax.idaho.gov/i-1129.cfm

    https://legislature.idaho.gov/statut...h8/sect63-802/

    Edit. Look at the local school bonds tied to property value that communities continue to assess on themselves while the R's win votes because they "reduce taxes". It's a lack of political courage from both the politicians and the voters. But, teachers salaries did used to be able to afford houses at one point in Idaho even in the Benny quote "trophy towns". I don't blame people for moving here...seems like some tone deafness coming from some on the cost of living being driven up though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conundrum View Post
    I want to be perfectly clear that I think the education funding in Idaho is abmismal and should be changed. Also that I bet we'd get along in real life. But need to point out that I'm not shocked that someone recently moved to Idaho and then doesn't like how Idaho does it. These houses didn't used to be $800k until a bunch of people moved here.

    https://tax.idaho.gov/i-1129.cfm

    https://legislature.idaho.gov/statut...h8/sect63-802/

    Edit. Look at the local school bonds tied to property value that communities continue to assess on themselves while the R's win votes because they "reduce taxes". It's a lack of political courage from both the politicians and the voters. But, teachers salaries did used to be able to afford houses at one point in Idaho even in the Benny quote "trophy towns". I don't blame people for moving here...seems like some tone deafness coming from some on the cost of living being driven up though.
    It’s the same failed politics of California

  16. #19491
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conundrum View Post
    I want to be perfectly clear that I think the education funding in Idaho is abmismal and should be changed. Also that I bet we'd get along in real life. But need to point out that I'm not shocked that someone recently moved to Idaho and then doesn't like how Idaho does it. These houses didn't used to be $800k until a bunch of people moved here.

    https://tax.idaho.gov/i-1129.cfm

    https://legislature.idaho.gov/statut...h8/sect63-802/
    Do you see a benefit to the existing system?

    It certainly seems that the current system is strangling local government entities at a time when the state is running a massive budget surplus because of the windfall of new state income tax payers.

  17. #19492
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    The main reason we currently live in JH and not Victor is because we weren’t gonna put our kid into Idaho schools, no way, no how. I still plan on retiring there, though.
    Forum Cross Pollinator, gratuitously strident

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevo View Post
    Do you see a benefit to the existing system?

    It certainly seems that the current system is strangling local government entities at a time when the state is running a massive budget surplus because of the windfall of new state income tax payers.
    Long time locals that can no longer afford rent? People who would take lower paying jobs but they can't afford to move there while competing with newly minted WFHomers making big city wages for companies not paying local corporate taxes?

    Hey, I've lived here my whole life and was raised by teachers. I agree with your political sentiment for the most part. Just thought you could have left the part off about real estate cost after you moved from out of state to a resort town while bringing you and your wife's WFH incomes to the local housing pricing scheme. It's everyone's right to move where they want but I think we can all admit some irony in some of these situations.

  19. #19494
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conundrum View Post
    It's everyone's right to move where they want but I think we can all admit some irony in some of these situations.
    Yep. Used to be you had to be willing to pay the "scenery tax" if you wanted to live in the rural West, and only a certain type of person was willing to make the sacrifice. Now with WFH we are seeing a massive flipflop in what type of people live here. And not to offend anybody but they are mostly not the type of people I really want to live around. That's a very general sentiment but the more I come in contact with the more I think I'm right in my assessment.

    Anyway, when it comes to real estate...our kids are fucked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeahman View Post
    Yep. Used to be you had to be willing to pay the "scenery tax" if you wanted to live in the rural West, and only a certain type of person was willing to make the sacrifice. Now with WFH we are seeing a massive flipflop in what type of people live here. And not to offend anybody but they are mostly not the type of people I really want to live around. That's a very general sentiment but the more I come in contact with the more I think I'm right in my assessment.

    Anyway, when it comes to real estate...our kids are fucked.
    Keying the sides of sprinter vans is fun. Give it a shot some time, especially one in the douchy tan color with method rims and gotos dangle racks.

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    The reason I say what I do is I've met many folks moving here and most say apologetically "We moved here because it's awesome and don't worry, we're not the type of people who move and then try to change things". It's almost like they know that the mass migration might change things but they don't want anyone to blame them. And I don't. I'd probably move too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TAFKALVS View Post
    Keying the sides of sprinter vans is fun. Give it a shot some time, especially one in the douchy tan color with method rims and gotos dangle racks.
    Posers. The real deal is Black Rhino Arsenals.

  23. #19498
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    They see me rollin’, they hatin’
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conundrum View Post
    The reason I say what I do is I've met many folks moving here and most say apologetically "We moved here because it's awesome and don't worry, we're not the type of people who move and then try to change things". It's almost like they know that the mass migration might change things but they don't want anyone to blame them. And I don't. I'd probably move too.
    I moved from one mountain town that got too expensive and busy, to another mountain town that was cheap and empty, which now has became expensive and busy.

    Am I part of the problem, or do I get to be indignant towards people who moved after me?

    Qualifications:
    1. Bought a cheap ass house on a low ball offer. Did a normal mortgage. No bidding wars.
    2. I have not registered to vote.
    3. I employ 4 people at good wages in town.
    4. I am jaded and crusty.
    5. I know how to change my own oil.

    Disqualifications:
    1. Work in Tech.
    2. Own multiple GOTOS adjacent vehicles.
    3. Get to the mountain early and am part of the early AM liftline arms race.
    4. Didn't go to high school here, and brought a woman with me so didn't get to sample the local STDs.
    5. Haven't divorced wife to add her to the small dating pool.

    Am I good?

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    Do you complain about where you moved to?

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