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01-11-2021, 10:26 AM #11076Registered User
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01-11-2021, 10:29 AM #11077
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01-11-2021, 10:52 AM #11078people bitching about the lack of affordable housing but who also want to shut down denser housing options are being a bit hypocritical.
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01-11-2021, 11:06 AM #11079
“Affordable housing” is always a hot topic here in Vail and every other mountain town. I question what that means. What’s affordable? If you are from Alabama or Iowa or Arkansas, affordable is a lot different than here in Vail or downtown San Fran. It’s never going to be truly affordable. These areas are so limited by the available dirt and that dirt isn’t cheap and it’s never going to be cheap. But can we do somethings government wise to make some things more affordable than normal? Yes, but due to lack of dirt, it’s always going to be an issue.
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01-11-2021, 11:08 AM #11080Registered User
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If you don't want to live next to an apartment building you're well within your rights to buy the lot next door. Or all the lots around you. Or move out of town where you can buy 5 acres to ensure you'll always have a buffer. I guess I'm just a lot more pro free market and pro growth then most of the people on here.
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01-11-2021, 11:11 AM #11081
Oh I agree it is hypocritical when its "I am now in, close the door", but if the door is already closed and you buy into that situation (SFH only neighborhoods), its a bit of a different story. You deserve a choice between mix-density neighborhoods and a SFH neighborhoods....not everyone wants one or the other.
Let both coexist and not seek to impose one POV on the other.
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01-11-2021, 11:14 AM #11082Registered User
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A few states have removed the SFH zoning and now by default allow up to four unit multi unit everywhere.
Oregon is one.
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01-11-2021, 11:16 AM #11083
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01-11-2021, 11:20 AM #11084
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01-11-2021, 11:25 AM #11085
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01-11-2021, 11:25 AM #11086
Hah sure it is Benny.
Around the Tetons, the people who complain about a lack of "affordable housing" really are complaining about affording rent when working part time catering two nights a week (and only three months in summer and three months in winter), traveling to Moab twice a year, buying a 5k mountain bike, and oh yeah, you also need to allow my two untrained dogs for no additional security deposit.Live Free or Die
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01-11-2021, 11:26 AM #11087Registered User
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01-11-2021, 11:28 AM #11088Registered User
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Imagine being so entitled that you think you should have a say in what other people do with their private property.
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01-11-2021, 11:35 AM #11089Registered User
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01-11-2021, 11:38 AM #11090
Agreed....thats why zoning exists and developers and HOAs make rules beforehand so that you KNOW what you are buying into and can choose otherwise. There are options for all. Just don't change the rules after the fact and screw those who are already there. If there are changes needed or desired, you get buy in from the stakeholders, not a politician or unelected busybody.
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01-11-2021, 11:42 AM #11091Registered User
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01-11-2021, 11:49 AM #11092
The history of single-family zoning is steeped in racism. You can look it up, but here's a quick take: https://www.kqed.org/news/11840548/t...ly-home-zoning
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01-11-2021, 12:32 PM #11093
IMO, people need to be a little more open to change and more flexible in their thinking. Of course, YMMV.
Loosening multi-dwelling issues and incentivizing denser housing near transit wouldn’t necessarily create “apartment dweller” issues.
Things can’t remain static; our population and society keeps changing.
Just because a place has been SFH zoned traditionally doesn’t mean that such a neighborhood deserves to have a “moat” when our population has increased and needs change.
The “moat” is one aspect people point to when they discuss how segregated life has become between the haves/have nots (race is an additional component to be discussed).
And, as pointed out above, allowing up to 4 units in residential areas that used to be just SFH can still be “family friendly.” There’s one hybrid way to partially address the issue.
How many families are split custody and have two parents with kid(s) in smaller homes than a “typical” 3/2 1700 sq ft? Half of the marriages end in divorce.
Don’t they deserve to be able to live in a relatively “family friendly” situation versus being set off to the side with “apartment dwellers?”
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01-11-2021, 12:58 PM #11094
I think the problem with a lot of the affordable housing talk is the level of entitlement a lot of people have to live exactly where they want, for however much they deem affordable. Your desire to live within walking distance of everything your little heart wants doesn't mean you automatically have the right to have it.
This becomes very acute in super desirable areas like mountain towns. Everyone wants to live there, but no matter how many high rises you put in, there will always be a constraint of supply at some point. Always. There is only so much beachfront property, there is only so much real estate in downtown NYC. The list goes on. Meanwhile, you can live 10,20, or 30 minutes away and things are more available, or more affordable, or whatever. You cannot legislate away supply and demand when there are limits to how many people can physically occupy a space.
Call it a moat if you want, but there are carrying capacities for places that are determined by factors that are not always within your control. Think sewage capacity. One example is Hoback Junction just south of Jackson. That place was the original affordable place to live in the valley, but was overbuilt and now has severe water quality issues from groundwater contamination as a result of all that development. That is a carrying capacity for that area that no zoning law is going to fix.Live Free or Die
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01-11-2021, 01:04 PM #11095
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01-11-2021, 03:44 PM #11096
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01-11-2021, 04:32 PM #11097"We don't beat the reaper by living longer, we beat the reaper by living well and living fully." - Randy Pausch
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01-11-2021, 04:35 PM #11098
There are some very nice homes around here with mountain views. A lot of lots in front of those views are vacant. When I did a tax record search of some of these vacant lots, I discovered that a large number of them are owned by the individuals in the home behind the vacant lot.
In fact I know a former NFL football player who bought the lot next to him when it came up for sale. He didn't want anyone next to him. He fenced it and put in a massive playground for his kids."We don't beat the reaper by living longer, we beat the reaper by living well and living fully." - Randy Pausch
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01-11-2021, 05:22 PM #11099Registered User
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