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    Quote Originally Posted by 4matic View Post
    The summer slowdown is normal everywhere. I hope it coincides with more inventory. Realtor explained it as people who really want their house want to be in before Labor Day.
    We don't even have that here. It picks up just after the kids go back to school.

    Like all markets, there's an overshoot, and you can see it in the listings here right now. People who didn't have any real intention of selling catching the "I could make a ton on this dump" bug. That'll add to the inventory but it's more noise than signal.

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    Not that these jobs are out there by the dozens (maybe they are), but I know my processors husband who does commercial building estimates (as in building it from the ground up) makes a solid $200k and there is no physical labor involved.
    The GC's in my town are making waaay more than $200k, but their jobs are a big PITA.
    There are so many careers that pay big, it is to bad the guidance counselors do such a shit job of exposing kids to everything that is out there. Maybe a new class for 10th graders, "Careers and Your Place in Them".
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    I think you'd have an easier time understanding people if you remembered that 80% of them are fucking morons.
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    There seems to be a lot of mingling of 'workers' vs 'business owners' going on here.

    It's easy to get rich as a developer (and easy to go broke). Same goes for running a fleet of skilled tradesmen doing plumbing/electrical/HVAC etc.

    An employee carpenter that doesn't transition to PM or GC isn't going to break whatever their market pays. Around here that means sub-100k.

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    if the owner is doing the work whats the difference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Striker View Post
    There seems to be a lot of mingling of 'workers' vs 'business owners' going on here.

    It's easy to get rich as a developer (and easy to go broke). Same goes for running a fleet of skilled tradesmen doing plumbing/electrical/HVAC etc.

    An employee carpenter that doesn't transition to PM or GC isn't going to break whatever their market pays. Around here that means sub-100k.
    this^^ and so amortise the 200K-300k salary per year with the going broke in a down turn

    And like any job you also have to wana do it and be good at it, my favorite is the guy who sez " hey look how much teachers make ( its not bad up here ) and all the time they get off to which i reply " yeah but you actualy have to take care of / teach kids would you want to take care of your kids all day ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    " yeah but you actualy have to take care of / teach kids would you want to take care of your kids all day ?
    Seriously. Getting summers off doesn't offset that in my book. Kudos to teachers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glademaster View Post
    I take it you mean the lack of context is sad, right?
    It needs no context.

    All time low interest in buying a house. That’s fucked up. A steady three or five percent appreciation is one thing. Thirty plus percent is ridiculous.

    There are non dentists in this world that might like to own a home.

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    when its too cold to pour concrete
    And when is that?

    I have watched sites pour at -10 F after burning thousands of dollars on diesel for ground heaters and then thousands more on labor to manage concrete blankets and that doesn't include the snow management.

    There is a company here that was founded for the purpose of sewing these huge heavy duty tarps with pick points so that you lay them down prior to a storm and at the end you shovel the snow around the edges and hoist them with a tower crane or grade-all to remove as much as possible in one lift. They are doing very well.

    Most sites I work around will frame in openings with 2x4s and rhino-hide until they can get the place dried in.

    No wonder they are getting $600-1000.00 p/sq ft completed. Building custom homes at 8500' is quite the art.

    Of course the entire pyramid could collapse at any point although the area weathered the 2007 crash pretty well.
    I have been in this State for 30 years and I am willing to admit that I am part of the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m2711c View Post
    if the owner is doing the work whats the difference?
    Scale, buying power, and markups.

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    Real Estate Crash thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Striker View Post
    There seems to be a lot of mingling of 'workers' vs 'business owners' going on here.

    It's easy to get rich as a developer (and easy to go broke). Same goes for running a fleet of skilled tradesmen doing plumbing/electrical/HVAC etc.

    An employee carpenter that doesn't transition to PM or GC isn't going to break whatever their market pays. Around here that means sub-100k.
    Right. Here too. Plus $200k gross as a contractor/business owner is a lot different than $200k gross as a W2 employee who also has benefits.

    I brought it up because it was stated earlier in this thread that in this market much less than $100k and it’s damn hard to afford a reasonable house in a place you want to live, and to actually be comfortable it’s closer to $200k. And then we started talking about how more kids should look into trades.

    Look at median home price, and then look at the average electrician salary of under $60k/year. And then tell me why my kid shouldn’t set their sights on engineering or medicine or even business.
    focus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunion 2020 View Post
    And when is that?

    I have watched sites pour at -10 F after burning thousands of dollars on diesel for ground heaters and then thousands more on labor to manage concrete blankets and that doesn't include the snow management.

    There is a company here that was founded for the purpose of sewing these huge heavy duty tarps with pick points so that you lay them down prior to a storm and at the end you shovel the snow around the edges and hoist them with a tower crane or grade-all to remove as much as possible in one lift. They are doing very well.

    Most sites I work around will frame in openings with 2x4s and rhino-hide until they can get the place dried in.

    No wonder they are getting $600-1000.00 p/sq ft completed. Building custom homes at 8500' is quite the art.

    Of course the entire pyramid could collapse at any point although the area weathered the 2007 crash pretty well.
    that should read " too cold to want to pour concrete instead of going skiing " I know you can deal with cold but it costs more and its you know ... cold

    if the concrete isnt poured before it gets cold it won't be until spring
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    Lots of money to be made in the trades at the moment.

    Rewind to 2008-2011 when the millennials graduated and things weren’t so nice looking.

    I worked in construction for a few years. No way I would tell a female kid to go enter into that world of misogyny and racism if they had even half a brain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liv2ski View Post
    Not that these jobs are out there by the dozens (maybe they are), but I know my processors husband who does commercial building estimates (as in building it from the ground up) makes a solid $200k and there is no physical labor involved.
    The GC's in my town are making waaay more than $200k, but their jobs are a big PITA.
    There are so many careers that pay big, it is to bad the guidance counselors do such a shit job of exposing kids to everything that is out there. Maybe a new class for 10th graders, "Careers and Your Place in Them".
    That takes away from the big business that is govt student loans though.

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    I've seen a couple of girls on roofing crews localy

    my tennants daughter was working at the tire shop and she is a 120lb wisp of a gal, which i mentioned to the manger who said well yeah but she got tough fighting with her brothers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunion 2020 View Post
    And when is that?

    I have watched sites pour at -10 F after burning thousands of dollars on diesel for ground heaters and then thousands more on labor to manage concrete blankets and that doesn't include the snow management.

    There is a company here that was founded for the purpose of sewing these huge heavy duty tarps with pick points so that you lay them down prior to a storm and at the end you shovel the snow around the edges and hoist them with a tower crane or grade-all to remove as much as possible in one lift. They are doing very well.

    Most sites I work around will frame in openings with 2x4s and rhino-hide until they can get the place dried in.

    No wonder they are getting $600-1000.00 p/sq ft completed. Building custom homes at 8500' is quite the art.

    Of course the entire pyramid could collapse at any point although the area weathered the 2007 crash pretty well.
    I think I may have mentioned it earlier, but bro in law deals with it all the time.

    Oh yeah we need to dry this in until we can get permits for rest of build cause we need the space. Ok....$75k for a wall. 2 months later $20k to remove it and he re sells most of the material.

    Just came back from a store Reno job with a truckload of wood they were going to simply toss. Ahhh nope, take that shit home. We are lucky my family has a 10k sq ft barn for storage.

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    yeah but she got tough fighting with her brothers
    Truer words never spoken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    That takes away from the big business that is govt student loans though.

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    That certainly employs some people. I think that’s a good thing. But nobody’s getting rich off of it and the government doesn’t make a profit on those. I think your cynicism, while appropriate, is misdirected.
    focus.

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    Bunion, are you doing erosion control or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunion 2020 View Post
    And when is that?

    I have watched sites pour at -10 F after burning thousands of dollars on diesel for ground heaters and then thousands more on labor to manage concrete blankets and that doesn't include the snow management. .
    I built a house in Gunnison in 2005 or 6 and it was -20F the morning we poured the foundation. IIRC the ground heater was about $1500/day, and we'd been running it for like 10 days already to even be able to dig. The mud was freezing so fast that the top of the forms would be slushy before we could get blankets back on it. When we framed it we had to keep our compressor inside of a job box with a space to heater covered with blankets to keep it running. Etc, etc.

    That's when I learned that people are crazy. The homeowners couldn't wait a few months for things to get more reasonable.

    (That house was like the 5th one those people had had built and they said it was the first one without a floor squeak anywhere. I was pretty proud of that.)
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    Any conversation of student loans has to include marketability of said education. Taking on a six figure debt to be able to aptly present treatise on Chaucer, and how his work was informed by Saxon and old English rather than French, is not a good idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Striker View Post
    Any conversation of student loans has to include marketability of said education. Taking on a six figure debt to be able to aptly present treatise on Chaucer, and how his work was informed by Saxon and old English rather than French, is not a good idea.
    Because the arts are for losers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustonen View Post
    That certainly employs some people. I think that’s a good thing. But nobody’s getting rich off of it and the government doesn’t make a profit on those. I think your cynicism, while appropriate, is misdirected.
    Oh really, the guy that started Salle Mae has a golf course that only a few people play. It’s a very nice track.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 4matic View Post
    Because the arts are for losers.
    No, because the arts are for people that live in a country that pays their education or here with Bank of Dad to cover it. Going into debt is dumb for a liberal or fine arts education.
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    I think you'd have an easier time understanding people if you remembered that 80% of them are fucking morons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4matic View Post
    Because the arts are for losers.
    Well, that makes me a loser.

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