Real Estate Crash thread

**concretejungle** · 07-01-2020, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by Benny Profane

Have you been in a self serve wine or beer bar recently?

Yeah, it sucked. Fucking keg needed to be tended to by a professional.

**gravitylover** · 07-01-2020, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by Skidog

Left 2 years ago

Wow, it's that long already? I need to remember to ping you next time I'm over there to meet for a beer.

**mcphee** · 07-01-2020, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by glademaster

The world needs more Don Quixotes.

For sure. Preferably ones who absorb information instead of disregarding it and making up their own realities.

**Benny Profane** · 07-01-2020, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by concretejungle

Yeah, it sucked. Fucking keg needed to be tended to by a professional.

Yeah, same thing I was thinking in the wine bar. Seemed to be a lot of bottle changing and maintenance to deal with. Probably easier and cheaper just to have a bartender. But then that bartender will just leave for the awesome wages and benefits that Fred is paying, right?

**RoooR** · 07-01-2020, 08:59 AM

Not every mountain town is CB, Telluride or Aspen. Plenty of spots in the US where you buy a house on acreage for under $400k with skiing close and 100s of miles of single-track out the back door. With modern remote working it's easy enough to do.

**Benny Profane** · 07-01-2020, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by ötzi

@ mcphee: Benny wishes things were right and fair for everybody and it bends him out of shape that they're not and a lot of people get irritated that he won't just shut up about it but I see it as laudable except for the fact that he won't ever give it a rest, and also that he sometimes makes wrong assumptions about the people he's talking to. He's not alone in that. He just keeps tilting at them windmills regardless. I find it oddly endearing.

No, Ice, even you're not getting it. I am always irritated when some Patagucci clad and craft beer swilling upper middle class white person tells me that my problem is just that I have the wrong attitude and made bad decisions in my life. If I just fix that, I could be just like them. It's really offensive, and, when the revolution comes, I'm coming for them first.

**Conundrum** · 07-01-2020, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by Benny Profane

No, Ice, even you're not getting it. I am always irritated when some Patagucci clad and craft beer swilling upper middle class white person tells me that my problem is just that I have the wrong attitude and made bad decisions in my life. If I just fix that, I could be just like them. It's really offensive, and, when the revolution comes, I'm coming for them first.

Why do you even care? I'm with Ice...it's endearing.

When I'm at a party with a bunch of people I don't know, I'd rather pet the dogs running around than talk to most new people. If there's a dog that tries to nip at me, I want to pet it even more and get it to like me.

You're that dog.

**mcphee** · 07-01-2020, 09:20 AM

and just like that nipping dog, he should rethink his approach if he's not getting the outcome he desires. Unless he's a little freak who gets off on being humiliated, then carry on my friend. We'll be happy to indulge.

**El Chupacabra** · 07-01-2020, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by Conundrum

Why do you even care? I'm with Ice...it's endearing.

When I'm at a party with a bunch of people I don't know, I'd rather pet the dogs running around than talk to most new people. If there's a dog that tries to nip at me, I want to pet it even more and get it to like me.

You're that dog.

So what you're saying is that Benny just needs a little scratch behind the ears, and maybe a belly rub and a treat?

**Mazderati** · 07-01-2020, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by RoooR

Not every mountain town is CB, Telluride or Aspen. Plenty of spots in the US where you buy a house on acreage for under $400k with skiing close and 100s of miles of single-track out the back door. With modern remote working it's easy enough to do.

Which places with these criteria make your list?

**fastfred** · 07-01-2020, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by Benny Profane

. But then that bartender will just leave for the awesome wages and benefits that Fred is paying, right?

fuck you benny my two lead guys make a hair over 60k a year 6 holidays paid and 2 weeks paid vacations plus end of year bonus

**Conundrum** · 07-01-2020, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by El Chupacabra

So what you're saying is that Benny just needs a little scratch behind the ears, and maybe a belly rub and a treat?

Yes, and maybe someone could sneak him some cocktail wienies from the crock pot too.

**concretejungle** · 07-01-2020, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by Mazderati

Which places with these criteria make your list?

Not Bozeman. That’s for fucking sure. Hope the rich, generic white folks keep coming so I can cash in and gtfo.

That said it’s way better here than the Front Range. That place is fucked.

**Name Redacted** · 07-01-2020, 09:26 AM

Benny, I don't have kids. You happy? That's the secret.

**glademaster** · 07-01-2020, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by Mazderati

Which places with these criteria make your list?

The first rule of places like that is don't talk about places like that on the internet.

**AdironRider** · 07-01-2020, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by Benny Profane

No, Ice, even you're not getting it. I am always irritated when some Patagucci clad and craft beer swilling upper middle class white person tells me that my problem is just that I have the wrong attitude and made bad decisions in my life. If I just fix that, I could be just like them. It's really offensive, and, when the revolution comes, I'm coming for them first.

I don't think you are going to get many alleged trust funders to openly admit they are trust funders Benny.

I also don't think they are so obtuse that they say you could do it easily. I hear, and did it myself, that you can do it. No it will not be as easy as most of them had it. Yes, your attitude will need to change, as you will never be able to keep up with the Jones'.

The jealousy though is a bad look and you clearly have it. I totally get your decision to stay in NY and put in your 30 for a gold watch and a pension. Literally no one who made a go of it in a ski town will have that or made the same sacrifices to have that. Just like the ski town non-trustfunder sacrifices income and job security for the access to good snow at a moments notice. Both are decisions made at one point or another, and like all decisions they come with pros and cons.

**El Chupacabra** · 07-01-2020, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by mcphee

Sorta, longtime lurker. I just feel like his hangups are my hangups about it. Except for the employment part (i got about 15-20 yrs left), not sure what I'd do out west for comparable or higher pay.

A bunch of us have tried explaining how one doesn't need to live in, say, Connecticut - and that there are plenty of jobs in proximity to mountain recreation (ski, bike, kayak, whatever) that do pay well. These will not be resort towns like Jackson or Aspen, but rather places like SLC or Reno (where I am). The CT dwellers react with disdain, usually with a crack about meth/ trailer parks/ LDS/ etc, and refuse to look seriously at any realistic options. Then they return to dwelling in CT and complaining about the rest of us who decided that Reno (or wherever) is acceptable.

And then the rest of us do things like mountain bike from the front door, or ski 5 miles away, or explore the eastern Sierra...

To your more specific point, McPhee, about equal pay: you might, or might not, get equal pay. Your cost of living might be less, perhaps significantly. Your taxes might be less, perhaps significantly. Your quality of life might be better, perhaps significantly.

Everything's about tradeoffs. If I wanted to make a bunch more money, I'd be grinding away in a firm in a coastal city, stressed out, richer on paper - but not enjoying life.

**4matic** · 07-01-2020, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by glademaster

You have a nice home that you appear to take good care of. GLWS.

Thanks. If my neighbors weren’t characters from Breaking Bad I might stay. Especially now that traffic is manageable. Mostly just looking for a change.

**liv2ski** · 07-01-2020, 09:34 AM

OK, then PM me. Inquiring minds want to know.

**Name Redacted** · 07-01-2020, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by Benny Profane

No, Ice, even you're not getting it. I am always irritated when some Patagucci clad and craft beer swilling upper middle class white person tells me that my problem is just that I have the wrong attitude and made bad decisions in my life. If I just fix that, I could be just like them. It's really offensive, and, when the revolution comes, I'm coming for them first.

Aren't you a caucasian male yourself? Don't you brag about ski trips to Europe? What brand of outerwear do you prefer? What's your alcoholic beverage of choice?

Again, what is up with all the threats benny?

**Benny Profane** · 07-01-2020, 09:56 AM

go back under your rock.

**Benny Profane** · 07-01-2020, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by fastfred

fuck you benny my two lead guys make a hair over 60k a year 6 holidays paid and 2 weeks paid vacations plus end of year bonus

That's going to buy, uh, what in Summit County?

**skaredshtles** · 07-01-2020, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by Benny Profane

Dude, you just proved a point. You moved to a paradise to work ten hours a day. We all can work ten or more hours a day in places that have careers that pay three times as much, and living is cheaper. Get it?

Nope. I don't get it. I may be distracted, though.

**glademaster** · 07-01-2020, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by fastfred

fuck you benny my two lead guys make a hair over 60k a year 6 holidays paid and 2 weeks paid vacations plus end of year bonus

Reading shit like that tempers my enthusiasm for leaving the PNW. I don't like it here all that much, but I am well compensated for what I do.

**skaredshtles** · 07-01-2020, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by Benny Profane

No, Ice, even you're not getting it. I am always irritated when some Patagucci clad and craft beer swilling upper middle class white person tells me that my problem is just that I have the wrong attitude and made bad decisions in my life. If I just fix that, I could be just like them. It's really offensive,

I understand you find it offensive... but is it untrue?