Real Estate Crash thread

[zion zig zag]

One fundaMental difference between then and now is the availability of mental health resources. Oregon in particular has little mechanism to commit people and certainly limited federal funding for mental health thanks to both the Reagan and Clinton administrations. My best friend is dealing with this now; his wife has gone off the deep end and he just nearly killed himself from trying to drink the problem away.

The problem is that the faction that believes in committing these people are also the same people who won't fund the resources. And the people who are willing to fund the resources won't commit the mentally questionable. That is the kernel of the problem.

Personally, I'd commit them and fund the resources, so all you fuckers will have a reason to disagree.

Nailed it.

[dan_pdx]

The problem is that the faction that believes in committing these people are also the same people who won't fund the resources. And the people who are willing to fund the resources won't commit the mentally questionable. That is the kernel of the problem.

I think that lots of people here who used to fall into the second group have warmed up substantially to the idea of involuntary commitment over the last year. I don't think that our elected officials have figured that out yet though.

[schuss]

You forgot LA/SoCal, and a common denominator among all of them is mild climates. It's just easier to live outdoors some places.

You're right, though. Many people have just become too feral to be reintegrated. Shelters and institutions are cheaper than prison so, yes, lets get to warehousing since it really is the least awful alternative. This is why you need a strong social safety net--to prevent people from becoming fully feral and beyond saving. I've also read that there are shelters available to a lot of these people, but they choose the street instead because the shelters don't allow them to use drugs. That should stop. If you can get someone housed and cleaned up a bit there's a chance you might be able to get them off drugs, or at least turn their addiction into a manageable chronic medical condition not all that different than diabetes. If you make quitting drugs a prerequisite for shelter long-term addicts are going to choose the street.

Or maybe properly fund mental institutions? I know in Portland Maine many of the ever-homeless we're just patients kicked out when they closed the mental hospital.

[fastfred]

Homelessness in places like Portland is an unfixable problem. The cities with the worst homelessness (Seattle, Portland, San Francisco) also spend the most money on homelessness (as they should). These cities also have some of the highest priced real estate in the country. Homelessness is directly correlated to real estate prices. Part of my business is pubic defense so I get to chat with homeless. Some you can fix, so I am not saying don't try. But a good chunk are hopeless. Their brains are so fried they will never be a productive member of society (and their brains are fried because their meth cooking parents spoon fed them meth since they were kids). So all we can do is warehouse them away. Warehousing people is not cheap whether it be prisons, homeless shelters, or mental health institutions, but I say pay up and start warehousing. The issue won't be fixed in our generation but I am hopeful that by focusing on our youth, and education, that maybe we can intervene and stop these folks from frying their brains into oblivion before it is too late.

And for people in other western cities that laugh at Portland's homeless problem, just wait. Your real estate prices will soon go through the roof, and then you'll have a homeless problem too, and your leaders won't be able to fix it. Doesn't matter if it a red or blue city. Cities not confined by water have an advantage, not because of leadership, but because more available land means lower real estate costs.

every time some politician or do gooder talks about ending homlessness I laugh, being homeless is a result not a problem it's rooted in mental health issues and/or drug and alcohol issues, being homeless is not the problem that needs to be solved and until we want to come to terms as a society with mental health issues and addiction issues homelessness will continue onward

but we are looking for easy solutions that are quick cheap and feel good

Welp, there you have it, folks. Mark my words. Once fastfred has left the building, it's all over for Summit County (that's where you are, right?). I would put money on it! He is our canary in the coalmine of what's going on since he's right in the thick of all the madness. Keep us posted, fred.

not really yeah the place sucks balls compared to twenty five years ago when I hitch hiked around the county lived in a tent, lived in a couple cabins with no water and a hiked to get home. Partied my brains out fucked off for weeks at a time it was a small town with off seasons and everyone who was here was super cool including the second homeowners, tourists, and front rangers, weekdays we skied empty resorts

so it's either the place sucks now or I'm old and don't like being old

it's been super mellow here for the past four weeks and it's like someone flipped the switch today traffic is up, tourons are back, second homeowners are back from there mud season escape the machine is cranking and now all the politicians are shocked that we are having a major housing crisis and there is no workers to fill the shitty low paying service industry jobs that print money for some people this has been in the works for 10 15 20 years and now they act all suprised and are trying to do something about it............. good luck you fucking dip shits

the growth pays my bills and affords me comfort love it or leave it but taking off with hundreds of thousands of dollars in my pocket sounds soothing in a way until the rest of my trust fund fully kicks in I got lucky got here at the right time looking back twenty five years is frightening breckenridge was never really a thought it just happened

[dunfree]

I think that lots of people here who used to fall into the second group have warmed up substantially to the idea of involuntary commitment over the last year. I don't think that our elected officials have figured that out yet though.

Politicians aren’t interested in expensive, problematic solutions? That really fucks with the narrative

[dan_pdx]

Politicians aren’t interested in expensive, problematic solutions? That really fucks with the narrative

Not sure what narrative you have in mind, but the status quo is equally or more expensive and problematic and elected officials are definitely going to lose their jobs over it, so it feels like the point where a pol with a reasonable amount of self-interest ought to be trying something other than sitting on their hands.

[old_newguy]

I think that lots of people here who used to fall into the second group have warmed up substantially to the idea of involuntary commitment over the last year. I don't think that our elected officials have figured that out yet though.

Is that even possible in Oregon without a crime having been committed? I’m not sure it is.

The big issue lurking right under the surface between PDX and Cottage Grove is that about 50 % of the population is one $500 expense or job loss from being on the street themselves.

People want to boil this issue down to drug addicts and mental issues (which there is plenty of no doubt and is the most visible) but have no doubt, we have a much bigger structural problem.

It really requires a multifaceted solution to the problem, a little incarnation, a little commitment, some better policy around housing, better social services, health care, job training, etc.

Or we can export them to the south where everyone is a welcoming Christian down to help the poor and indignant, right?

[Buster Highmen]

I think that lots of people here who used to fall into the second group have warmed up substantially to the idea of involuntary commitment over the last year. I don't think that our elected officials have figured that out yet though.

The Seattle City council sure hasn't figured this out. We have a "drug court" but it's too wimpy and the policy is to ignore the junkies on the street.

[dan_pdx]

Is that even possible in Oregon without a crime having been committed? I’m not sure it is.

The big issue lurking right under the surface between PDX and Cottage Grove is that about 50 % of the population is one $500 expense or job loss from being on the street themselves.

People want to boil this issue down to drug addicts and mental issues (which there is plenty of no doubt and is the most visible) but have no doubt, we have a much bigger structural problem.

It really requires a multifaceted solution to the problem, a little incarnation, a little commitment, some better policy around housing, better social services, health care, job training, etc.

Or we can export them to the south where everyone is a welcoming Christian down to help the poor and indignant, right?

Seems like involuntary commitment is possible now, though maybe it's not applied often: https://www.opb.org/article/2021/05/...ommitment-law/

Totally agree that multifaceted solutions are needed - some really just need a hand getting back on their feet, some are incapable of taking care of themselves, some are in the middle, there's a group who are are just playing at being travelers for the summer, then there's varying levels of addiction within each of those groups.

The big issue lurking right under the surface between PDX and Cottage Grove is that about 50 % of the population is one $500 expense or job loss from being on the street themselves.

In cases like that, we really ought to be offering loans at no/low interest, maybe with forgiveness after a year or two of payments. Rather spend $500 or $1k once and keep someone off the streets than have them wind up homeless for years.

[liv2ski]

The society we have put together can't deal with the evil it perpetuates.

[Meathelmet]

The society we have put together can't deal with the evil it perpetuates.

To piss on that narrative, it was the whitey that (re)introduced horses to NA.

#hijack

[Mokomahonah]

400 years earlier...

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[liv2ski]

To piss on that narrative, it was the whitey that (re)introduced horses to NA.

#hijack

Piss on the narrative? Horses make whiteys bullshit culture ok? Huh?

Anyways:
Horses returned to the Americas thousands of years later, well after domestication of the horse, beginning with Christopher Columbus in 1493. These were Iberian horses first brought to Hispaniola and later to Panama, Mexico, Brazil, Peru, Argentina, and, in 1538, Florida.[20] The first horses to return to the main continent were 16 specifically identified horses brought by Hernán Cortés in 1519. Subsequent explorers, such as Coronado and De Soto brought ever-larger numbers, some from Spain and others from breeding establishments set up by the Spanish in the Caribbean.[21]

[MontuckyFried]

The society we have put together can't deal with the evil it perpetuates.

Lol! To further piss on that narrative, how about cracking open a history book or two. Acting like everything was all peaceful and hunky dory in pre-Columbian times. HA!:
https://www.canada.ca/en/department-...h-america.html
"Despite the myth that Aboriginals lived in happy harmony before the arrival of Europeans, war was central to the way of life of many First Nation cultures."
And yes, liv. Native Americans captured and tortured prisoners. They had raids to steal crap from each other. They had plenty of war. Lots of tribes ran off more peaceful tribes. Genocide, slavery, etc. They ran the same gambit of atrocities as anyone else. Go visit some museums of tribal history on reservations sometime if you REALLY want to have your eyes opened. But hey, I guess everything's whitey's fault at the end of the day, so carry on then.
/THREADDRIFT

[Toadman]

Back to the RE market.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/exist...140119590.html

Home sales fell for the third straight month this year as home prices continue to rise at a record pace.

Existing home sales fell 2.7% to a seasonally adjusted 5.58 million in April, from a month earlier, according to the National Association of Realtors (NAR). The results missed analyst expectations of a 1% gain, according to Bloomberg consensus. April sales activity was up 33.9% from the same month a year earlier when the nation was under a lockdown due to the coronavirus pandemic. Compared to April 2018, existing home sales was up 11%. Sales activity in all but one of the four regions in the U.S. — the Midwest — fell. Only the Midwest, where homes are more affordable, recorded a gain of 0.8% from a month earlier, according to the NAR.

"Low inventory continues to hinder sales activity," said Lawrence Yun, NAR chief economist, during a press call prior to the release of the results, adding that despite the slowdown in activity the housing market is still "hot."

The median existing-home price for all housing types in April was $341,600, up 19.1% from April 2020

[Ted Striker]

Sick of Portland? Move across the river: https://www.zillow.com/homes/4211-SE...23303182_zpid/

[AdironRider]

Listen to the sounds of the highway in your container by the offramp for 2 million. This one beats that doublewide with useless river frontage by a mile.

[sirbumpsalot]

Sick of Portland? Move across the river: https://www.zillow.com/homes/4211-SE...23303182_zpid/

Probably profitable for someone to pay the $2M and dismantle the house and put those 11 shipping containers back into use!

[dunfree]

There’s a glut of containers in the US.

[Toadman]

There’s a glut of containers in the US.

Yes, all filled with Chinese import products. Which are desperately needed back in China to fill in time to ship back to America to stock the US warehouses for Christmas.

[Ted Striker]

And the cultural appropriation

[Timberridge]

Can America get culturally appropriated or just other cultures?

[Ted Striker]

Does America have culture?

[dunfree]

Yes, all filled with Chinese import products. Which are desperately needed back in China to fill in time to ship back to America to stock the US warehouses for Christmas.

Nah, there’s tons of ‘em for sale on cl around the country. I’m kinda amazed with the shortage of other materials haven’t seen more container kitsch stuff.

[alpinevibes]

Sick of Portland? Move across the river: https://www.zillow.com/homes/4211-SE...23303182_zpid/

The Japanese x Red Lion themed bar really ties the whole PNW potpourri style together



And does it come with the 993 (?) Targa??