Real Estate Crash thread

[Tri-Ungulate]

Hmmm, let's see. Education, roads, public transport, clean water treatment, air traffic control, airports, sanitation. Enough? I could go on.

Brought peace?

[sirbumpsalot]

How do you think affordable housing gets built? I can tell you it definitely isn't through private project money, as margins are way higher on luxury stuff for the same space. Also, unoccupied tax is great as it forces some level of compliance vs. property hording and at least provides a meaningful cost to just holding property that's empty, as today there's very few continuous costs associated beyond real estate costs and minimal utilities.

It gets built.,....but despite all the taxes, the promises and increased taxes....has it been fixed? Will it "ever" be fixed? It might be fixed for a few select people....but the problem itself still exists.

[ötzi]

I’ll start, how about interstate travel with a highway system. Or just watch this.

https://youtu.be/Qc7HmhrgTuQ

ha, I guessed that's what it was.

"What problems have been fixed with taxation?" is the dumbest question I've heard in a long time.

[teleee]

There has been a 15yr fight over infrastructure bills to fix crumbling roads, falling bridges, and racist highways...and even with Build Back Better...it still wouldn't be fixed.

So what is your solution? Enlighten us…


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[ötzi]

So what is your solution? Enlighten us…

[summit]

I can think of someone (who occasionally posts here) who has been working remotely in CB for at least 10 years. He and his wife (who also works remote) serve on local non-profit Boards, go to trailwork days, etc and are basically highly involved within the community. I'd argue that they're a bigger part of this community than someone who bumps chairs for a season and then goes home. Somehow there is a balance between the 2, but I don't know what or how that comes about.

I know lots of remote workers. Some fit that profile. Many don't. That isn't a dig on remote workers. Same goes for locally employed folks.

However, why compare an upper class remote worker to a lower class liftie in terms of community service? They have different amounts of free time, age, and needs for additional jobs. However, maybe compare your remote worker to someone of similar role who is locally employed. But they both need someone to bump the chair, stock the grocery shelves and work at the hospital.

I don't hate remote workers. I'd love to be fully remote. Maybe I'd move to CB! The truth is we don't need 1/3 of our mountain community to be remote workers for NY and CA tech corps a few of whom are willing to serve on a board of directors and dig a bit. If they worked in the same role locally they might be willing to perform similar contributions. However, they are while working for businesses that don't contribute to the community while still competing for resources with locally employed people.

Pointing out exceptional people giving community service falls flat when the argument was not about their personal involvement in the community.

[fastfred]

No one gives a shit
Seriously

[sirbumpsalot]

So what is your solution? Enlighten us…


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There is no universal solution to social ills...why? Human nature...8 million worldly individual opinions ...even the opposite extreme - universal coercion hasn't solved these ills nor made everyone happy.

[skaredshtles]

How many problems have been fixed with taxation? Or do we explain it away with the constant "the taxes aren't high enough" excuse?

The treasury will never be big enough for those with their hands in it.

Tell me you're a Libertarian without telling me you're a Libertarian.

[mcphee]

Libertarians: republicans who smoke pot


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[Timberridge]

Oh boy, somebody is heavily invested in STRs, it seems.

I'd rather have a STR than a STD.

[ötzi]

You can have it all, TR.

[Bunion 2020]

There is no universal solution to social ills...why? Human nature...8 million worldly individual opinions ...even the opposite extreme - universal coercion hasn't solved these ills nor made everyone happy.

8 Million? Interesting

[skaredshtles]

So do you want to raise taxes on long term rentals too? That should help rent prices and the housing crisis.

I'd say no, if you're interested in addressing the housing issue for locals...

Where do you draw the line?

I'd propose at the point that "short-term" changes to "long-term"... 6 months, perhaps?

Tax the business, not the property.

This would be acceptable, if there were a rational plan to do it.

And all of these costs will be passed on to the consumer. So remember, if you ever plan on traveling and staying anywhere, it is going to come out of your pockets. So you are advocating for a tax on yourself. The circle of life.

Yes. I'm absolutely advocating for a tax on myself.

[sirbumpsalot]

8 Million? Interesting

Billion..sorry. I sincerely hope you will forgive my error.

[sirbumpsalot]

Tell me you're a Libertarian without telling me you're a Libertarian.

Part of no such organized political parties...

[skaredshtles]

Part of no such organized political parties...

Tell me you're a Libertarian without telling me you're a Libertarian.

[Benny Profane]

I think there is a country full of people that might not agree with you about those 7 listed items being "fixed".

No, it's not that. They wouldn't exist without taxation.

[Benny Profane]

There has been a 15yr fight over infrastructure bills to fix crumbling roads, falling bridges, and racist highways...and even with Build Back Better...it still wouldn't be fixed.

Where is this perfect world you live in?

[Timberridge]

You can have it all, TR.

Except a Super Bowl trophy, ice.



But back to the task at hand. 19,679 posts and nobody has a solution to this housing thing yet?

Which country has this figured out? Maybe we copy them?

[Name Redacted]

Should tax be used as a weapon to reduce STRs and then we will figure out what to spend the money on later?

[skaredshtles]

Where is this perfect world you live in?

Galt's Gulch?

[Benny Profane]

Except a Super Bowl win, ice.



But back to the task at hand. 19,679 posts and nobody has a solution to this housing thing yet?

Oh, that's easy. Stalinist authoritarian overthrow of our government, and an apartment/flat for every family in the new housing projects. Comrade.

[Timberridge]

Can I get one with ski on and off? Then I'm in.

[sirbumpsalot]

No, it's not that. They wouldn't exist without taxation.

Well I didn't say that they wouldn't....read the post and pause first before racing to your keyboard. Just a friendly suggestion...maybe people wouldn't razz you so much if you did that.