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  1. #17601
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    Agree with all that. Especially the Mt Vernon having potential but somehow perpetually not quite there part. However, they do have the best Thai food - scratch that - ONLY authentically good Thai food in two counties.

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    Yeah, zoning is almost exclusively run by localities in terms of what actually matters. State rules are often the simple stuff, like don't build on wetlands and make sure you have valid septic/lot lines. As others have said, most change resistance comes from existing residents, who ultimately are the ones that serve on zoning commissions and apply/enforce rules and grant/deny variances. There are many that want to freeze their towns in amber because they moved in 20 years ago and how dare you try to change things.

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    Real Estate Crash thread

    I petitioned the city to change my R1 zoned .30 acre residential neighborhood lot to an M2 so that I could manufacture pig manure fertilizer. They said no, fucking bullshit overbearing government. What about my rights as a landowner?

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    Quote Originally Posted by schuss View Post
    As others have said, most change resistance comes from existing residents... many that want to freeze their towns in amber because they moved in 20 years ago and how dare you try to change things.
    Definitely.

    And the flip side of people moving to town, and wanting to reshape it into what they imagine it should be rather than what it is.

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    I think I could make a pretty good argument that Bend was a much more pleasant place to live 10-20 years ago than it is today.

    I’m probably wrong since people keep moving there.

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    Los Angeles was utopia in the 50s. Salt Lake City was paradise in the 70s. What's your point?

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    That the people resisting growth and change maybe have a point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by old_newguy View Post
    That the people resisting growth and change maybe have a point?
    Probably not.

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    Should we just kill off a third of our population so that the survivors can live the good life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by altasnob View Post
    Should we just kill off a third of our population so that the survivors can live the good life?
    Ah yes, hyperbole, what would the Internet be without it.

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    Ok, so you tell me how Bend can keep things the way Bend was circa 1997? The only way I can come up with is mass-extinction.

    As a nation, we are already trying our damndest to keep things frozen in time by not building enough housing to keep up with demand. It's not working.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/us-u...-decade-2020-9

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    Quote Originally Posted by old_newguy View Post
    Ah yes, hyperbole, what would the Internet be without it.
    the other choice is reduced living standards for the unfortunate third (death being the ultimate reduction in living standard)

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    Quote Originally Posted by altasnob View Post
    Should we just kill off a third of our population so that the survivors can live the good life?
    who would buy all the stuff so we could have growth make money, live the good life and work towards all the problems we already have now ?
    Last edited by XXX-er; 08-20-2021 at 03:01 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by altasnob View Post
    Ok, so you tell me how Bend can keep things the way Bend was circa 1997? The only way I can come up with is mass-extinction.

    As a nation, we are already trying our damndest to keep things frozen in time by not building enough housing to keep up with demand. It's not working.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/us-u...-decade-2020-9
    Cold War East Berlin and South Side Chicago Projects are excellent examples of our future planned housing:

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    Tgr now - lardass work from suburbanites building cookie cutter decks from Pinterest, proclaiming their individuality

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    Quote Originally Posted by sirbumpsalot View Post
    Cold War East Berlin and South Side Chicago Projects are excellent examples of our future planned housing:

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    beats what they had for homes

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    or should people have just gone homeless? Not that the “burbs for life” cucks are capable of thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sirbumpsalot View Post
    Cold War East Berlin and South Side Chicago Projects are excellent examples of our future planned housing:

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    Get with the times man. Here's what low income public housing looks like in Seattle today. Yesler Terrace, in the heart of the most vibrant, interesting part of the city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sirbumpsalot View Post
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    Says somebody that has never been to a prosperous and fairly happy western European country recently, I'm guessing.

    The world is perfect. Appreciate the details.

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    Quote Originally Posted by altasnob View Post
    Ok, so you tell me how Bend can keep things the way Bend was circa 1997? The only way I can come up with is mass-extinction.

    As a nation, we are already trying our damndest to keep things frozen in time by not building enough housing to keep up with demand. It's not working.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/us-u...-decade-2020-9
    Well you can’t. And I am pro density and pro affordable housing and I have a long history in this thread and others of advocating such things.

    However, I think Bend was more “livable” 10-20 years ago than now. Just turning into an unaffordable sprawling, traffic mess. So, I think the anti growth people have a point. What happened wasn’t “better”. Now, if you want to argue that they should have planned better, zoned better, etc I’m not going to disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Says somebody that has never been to a prosperous and fairly happy western European country recently, I'm guessing.
    Seriously... and they've been just getting better at it for decades (maybe centuries?).

    Even their "rural" areas are generally pretty dense living surrounded by lots of open space, IME.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old_newguy View Post
    However, I think Bend was more “livable” 10-20 years ago than now. Just turning into an unaffordable sprawling, traffic mess. So, I think the anti growth people have a point. What happened wasn’t “better”. Now, if you want to argue that they should have planned better, zoned better, etc I’m not going to disagree.
    sprawling suburb McMansion growth makes places hellscapes, not growth per se.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dunfree View Post
    sprawling suburb McMansion growth makes places hellscapes, not growth per se.
    Maybe the people complaining about growth knew thats what was coming?

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    What the hell is anti-growth? How does one stop growth in a spot? What does someone who is "anti-growth" propose? Serious question. Of course Bend was more "livable" 20 years ago. What place wasn't? It comes down to a choice. Do you want more housing, which means more people, but lower housing costs? Or do you want less housing, which means less people, but higher housing costs? I haven't heard anyone complain that housing in places like Bend is too cheap. Don't you want your kids to have a chance to buy a place in this country that is not in Iowa?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dunfree View Post
    the other choice is reduced living standards for the unfortunate third (death being the ultimate reduction in living standard)
    Isn't that pretty much the current strategy?
    Have you seen the housing and healthcare options in poor rural and poor urban areas?

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    I guess Bend could try to go the Aspen route. Outrageously expensive real estate that only the .01%ers can afford. And mix in just enough subsidized low income housing that the community still has enough teachers, fire fighters, cops, ect to survive. It's essentially a company town for the elite.

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