Real Estate Crash thread

[Buster Highmen]

At the end of the day it comes down to are we trying to pump this water to prevent a humanitarian disaster from changing weather patterns and climate change or are we pumping it to continuously propup unsustainable development, water practices, and flat out greed?

Obviously the latter. Golf courses, rice paddies in the desert, almond trees to name a few.

I'd be against pumping until all the ridiculous water use is ended.

Phoenix, Las Vegas, nexus of humanitarian needs.

[rideit]

Must read: Cadillac Desert

[californiagrown]

Obviously the latter. Golf courses, rice paddies in the desert, almond trees to name a few.

I'd be against pumping until all the ridiculous water use is ended.

Hey man, im an engineer. You put a problem in front of me im gonna want to find a solution. I'm not gonna first analyze if its a problem that ethically needs solving- Ethics are for after the solution has been found.

BIG picture here, but do you think that this could be a use for the freshwater melting off the glaciers/ice caps and desalinating oceans or causing other enviro harm? Capture and transport that fresh water for good use to mitigate some impacts of the melting?

[Buster Highmen]

The Bureau of Wrecklamation.

[Buster Highmen]

Hey man, im an engineer. You put a problem in front of me im gonna want to find a solution. I'm not gonna first analyze if its a problem that ethically needs solving- Ethics are for after the solution has been found.

Disagree. Ethics first. Excuses much later.

[Danno]

Ooooh, western water policy discussion. Imma keep my mouth shut.

[TAFKALVS]

Ooooh, western water policy discussion. Imma keep my mouth shut.

"Whiskey is for drinking, water is for fighting"

[The AD]

Hey man, im an engineer. You put a problem in front of me im gonna want to find a solution. I'm not gonna first analyze if its a problem that ethically needs solving- Ethics are for after the solution has been found.

I'm an engineer, too, and I think engineering has a lot of blame in how things have unfolded with regard to water use. We're often so consumed by what can be done (building dams, irrigation, etc.) that we don't really think about what should be done. We're getting paid to design infrastructure, not to ponder ethics, after all.

[Mazderati]

NSPE would heartily disagree.

[abraham]

Ooooh, western water policy discussion. Imma keep my mouth shut.

Don't worry, altasnob will show up soon. Then we can have a nice, healthy, productive lawyers and engineers discussion about solving the water problems of the Western states.


Is there a good book after Cadillac desert?

[Buster Highmen]

Don't worry, altasnob will show up soon. Then we can have a nice, healthy, productive lawyers and engineers discussion about solving the water problems of the Western states.


Is there a good book after Cadillac desert?

https://www.amazon.com/Deadbeat-Dams.../dp/1555664601


In California, the current drought has finally brought attention to the fact that agriculture uses 80 percent of the state’s developed water. Some have questioned whether a sector that accounts for a mere 2 percent of California’s economy should be guzzling so much of its water, especially in this time of scarcity. But the real scandal, Beard makes clear—and the reason the agricultural sector can afford to use so much water—is that the price of its water is subsidized to an astonishing degree by the taxpayers of the United States....
https://www.thedailybeast.com/if-you...adillac-desert

[californiagrown]

Don't worry, altasnob will show up soon. Then we can have a nice, healthy, productive lawyers and engineers discussion about solving the water problems of the Western states.

Who else is gonna solve the West's water problems if not the degenerate lawyers and engineers of the region with the most water? Whose in for a Lot 4 summit to drunkenly discuss western water issues? Yeah, me neither haha

[Danno]

Don't worry, altasnob will show up soon. Then we can have a nice, healthy, productive lawyers and engineers discussion about solving the water problems of the Western states.

I'm a water lawyer. I look forward to him explaining western water law to me.

[rideit]

Don't worry, altasnob will show up soon. Then we can have a nice, healthy, productive lawyers and engineers discussion about solving the water problems of the Western states.


Is there a good book after Cadillac desert?

Yeah, ‘The Day After Tomorrow’.

[Buster Highmen]

I'm a water lawyer. I look forward to him explaining western water law to me.

No wonder you're so runny.

Dam

[hatchgreenchile]

Don't worry, altasnob will show up soon. Then we can have a nice, healthy, productive lawyers and engineers discussion about solving the water problems of the Western states.


Is there a good book after Cadillac desert?

“Where the Water Goes”

[The AD]

I'm a water lawyer.

Is that like a regular lawyer, only you carry a divining rod in your briefcase?

[abraham]

I'm a water lawyer. I look forward to him explaining western water law to me.

I know. Do you count as a Water Buffalo yet? Or are they dying out and being replaced by something new?

Who else is gonna solve the West's water problems if not the degenerate lawyers and engineers of the region with the most water? Whose in for a Lot 4 summit to drunkenly discuss western water issues? Yeah, me neither haha

Oh I think both are needed, but you've gotta make sure other people's opinions and concerns are involved. Water in the west is something I'm curious about and cautious of. There's a lot of history involved.

Just for you, here's evidently the biggest gate valve in the world.

https://www.amazon.com/Deadbeat-Dams.../dp/1555664601


In California, the current drought has finally brought attention to the fact that agriculture uses 80 percent of the state’s developed water. Some have questioned whether a sector that accounts for a mere 2 percent of California’s economy should be guzzling so much of its water, especially in this time of scarcity. But the real scandal, Beard makes clear—and the reason the agricultural sector can afford to use so much water—is that the price of its water is subsidized to an astonishing degree by the taxpayers of the United States....
https://www.thedailybeast.com/if-you...adillac-desert

Thanks.

“Where the Water Goes”

I'll look into this one too.

[The AD]

Just for you, here's evidently the biggest gate valve in the world.

Just imagine the size of the hand wheel for that!

[abraham]

Just imagine the size of the hand wheel for that!

Initially I thought they were testing it as a guillotine on the guy in the middle.

[skaredshtles]

I'm a water lawyer. I look forward to him explaining western water law to me.

[mcphee]

I'm a water lawyer. I look forward to him explaining western water law to me.

[The AD]

Water lawyer (solid phase).

[dunfree]

NSPE would heartily disagree.

that’s more aimed at preventing another Mulholland St Francis dam disaster, not preventing another Mulholland buying into the colonization of a desert. The ethics of the latter can be trickier than the former.

[Ted Striker]

I was the bathwater