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Thread: Real Estate Crash thread
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05-25-2021, 10:14 PM #14301
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05-25-2021, 10:53 PM #14302
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05-25-2021, 10:55 PM #14303
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05-25-2021, 11:07 PM #14304
Downtown Driggs mixed use is zoned for a max of 45 feet and four stories. The majority of Driggs is zoned single family housing, which could be changed to allow multi-family. This would make more sense to concentrate growth instead of allowing the 5 acre lots outside of town to be subdivided.
When I say build up, not out, it does not necessarily mean sky scrapers. Remember, this
is more dense than this
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05-25-2021, 11:14 PM #14305Hucked to flat once
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Density can be relative.
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05-25-2021, 11:15 PM #14306
You might like this essay
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2021/...-the-elevators
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05-25-2021, 11:33 PM #14307
Yep, definitely some good things about not having a yard and all. Although, I think it would get old going having to go up and down stairs all the time in the type I'm talking about. This one is down the street from me and pretty much what they've been replacing all single family homes with around here for the last decade (where the zoning allows). There are definitely families with kids moving into these as there just isn't enough sfh's around here. Glad we were never forced into one.
https://www.redfin.com/WA/Seattle/55...-C/home/493315
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05-25-2021, 11:41 PM #14308
The realtor, Margeaux Rabbage (great name) is kinda cute.
Forum Cross Pollinator, gratuitously strident
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05-25-2021, 11:56 PM #14309
They are tearing down two hundred year old homes down the street from me and building this 41 unit apartment building, with 19 underground parking spots. My friend who lives across the street is pissed, but I knew the land was zoned for 45 feet when I bought and expected something like this. Everyone bitches about housing prices but freaks out when developers build small, mostly car free residences. This is the future, not just in bigger cities but smaller towns as well, so get used to it and adapt.
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05-26-2021, 01:49 AM #14310
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05-26-2021, 05:36 AM #14311
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05-26-2021, 07:59 AM #14312
You have absolutely zero idea of what would get passed here in terms of zoning. There isn't a single building in Driggs over 3 stories, and there is only one of them (two if you count the courthouse building). The concept of all of a sudden TV becoming home to multifamily units and townhouses in Driggs is pretty laughable. Anytime they propose anything remotely looking like density VARD and Reigel and the rest of the commissioners throw hissy fits, then develop new code under the cloak of Covid and give you a couple weeks to review before they want to pass it.
The current plan on track to pass this summer is basically the exact opposite of what you are saying here. I don't agree with it, and it's kinda funny because most of the disagreement for it comes from places like Felt and Tetonia with the most wide open space, but the environment is what it is right now, and our electeds have zero desire to have anyone living in multifamily units. They currently don't even want people to have bees or a fence.Live Free or Die
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05-26-2021, 08:11 AM #14313
Universal issue. Last summer we were tempted to sell when out of staters were buying everything in VT sight unseen. Buying a new place was right out. And thing#3 still had three years of HS left. There's a place 45 minutes away that we could live in for free, but the HS situation and some other factors sort of squashed that.
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05-26-2021, 08:14 AM #14314
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05-26-2021, 08:26 AM #14315
I think someone is confusing office space with residential.
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05-26-2021, 08:31 AM #14316
There arent many (any?) 200 year old homes in the PNW.
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05-26-2021, 08:35 AM #14317
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05-26-2021, 08:40 AM #14318
I read that as 2x 100 year old.
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05-26-2021, 09:02 AM #14319
According to wiki:
Manhattan: 22.83 sq mi, 1,628,706 people, density is 69,467.5/sq mi (my calculator says 71,340, not sure why there's a discrepancy)
Paris: 40.7 sq mi, 2,175,601 people, density 53,000/sq mi (my calculator says 53,454)
Explain to me how Paris is more dense than Manhattan and what office space has to do with it?"fuck off you asshat gaper shit for brains fucktard wanker." - Jesus Christ
"She was tossing her bean salad with the vigor of a Drunken Pop princess so I walked out of the corner and said.... "need a hand?"" - Odin
"everybody's got their hooks into you, fuck em....forge on motherfuckers, drag all those bitches across the goal line with you." - (not so) ill-advised strategy
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05-26-2021, 09:13 AM #14320
The point of the photos is to show that a a city like Paris, which is one of the best planned major cities on earth, can achieve more total density by having the entire city limits filled with dense housing, versus NYC, which has a very dense downtown, but less dense (than Paris) in the surrounded neighborhoods. People assume density means sky scrapers but was pointing out that you can achieve density without sky scrapers. And Paris is more dense than NYC.
The most recent zoning, urban planning movement in Paris is the 15 minute city, where every resident in the city can get to just about everything they need in life within a 15 minute walk, bike, or metro trip. Essentially mini cities throughout the city. I like this concept and think we should replicate it. The most amazing large cities, in an urban planning sense, I have ever visited are Paris, Amsterdam, and Tokyo.
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05-26-2021, 09:19 AM #14321______
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This sort of behavior is what prompted Oregon to just legislate multi family housing up to 4 units allowed in residential zones at the state level. I believe this was lead by Michigan or Wisconsin doing the same.
I think they also did something around allowing ADUs by default as well.
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05-26-2021, 09:20 AM #14322______
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05-26-2021, 09:21 AM #14323Registered User
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Remember that a lot of people had their shit torn down and were dispossessed when those cities were built. Much of the planning of Paris was military in nature, so the army could control the populist mobs. So “good” city planning isn’t without a lot of pain.
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05-26-2021, 09:32 AM #14324
AR, look up Driggs zoning map. A part of downtown is ALREADY zoned for Downtown Mixed Use (red on the map below). This means if you buy property there, you can build to four floors, 45 feet, mixed commercial and residential use. You do not need to convince anyone this is good. It is already allowed under the existing laws.
People are going to move to Teton Valley one way or another. The only way for a community to stop all development is do like Jackson, and have the wealthy buy up all the surrounding developable land and convert it to private land conservation easements preventing any development in perpetuity.
AR was previously stating how he thought it was dumb to keep the rural land in Teton Valley zoned as one house per 5 acres (typical rural zoning in the US). AR proposed being allowed to subdivide each 5 acre lot into 5 one acre lots. I am countering that this is the worst way to develop Teton Valley. Instead, it would make sense to cram as many people as possible into the city limits of Driggs, before allowing more density outside the city limits. I would agree with AR that except for some small multi family housing allowed in the downtown core, Driggs is single family and will likely remain so. So instead of a small, dense, town core, fast forward 10-20 years and Driggs will look more like Bozeman with cooky cutter houses sprawling for miles and miles. Terrible traffic. Terrible lift lines. And a bunch of bitchy, whiny, residents.
Driggs Zoning, the red is Downtown Mixed Use
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Definition of Downtown Mixed Use, per the Driggs zoning code
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05-26-2021, 09:35 AM #14325
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