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  1. #13301
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    Or it isn't made up, but rich assholes think it's someone else's problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fastfred View Post
    can't imagine it being any different than denver an over hyped mid west city built on a grid pattern?
    That’s exactly what I though of Boise. Midwestern town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toadman View Post
    ha! My aunt and uncle picked up a foreclosure here in Bend back in 2010 for a song. It's now worth about 300% more.
    Yeah. To go back in time to Florida, Reno, and, yeah, Boise. Take your pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fastfred View Post
    was in boise 20 something years ago and didn't know what the appeal was then
    can't imagine it being any different than denver an over hyped mid west city built on a grid pattern?

    and the lack of water is all made up if it was a seriously problem why does everyone have irrigated turf grass? blows my mind absolutely stupid in a place like vegas or the front range even stupider that people are putting in irrigated "lawns" at 9,000 ft where I live wtf????? ain't natural and there is no reason for it
    At one point Boise was a nice, mellow, low key, low cost place to raise a family. My brother came close to pulling the trigger to move their for a job in the banking industry about 20 years ago. I think he regrets staying in Portland and not moving.

    In terms of water irrigation of those big lawns, it looks like Vegas is trying to get away from that. Better late than never, but it is not a big enough step, IMO.

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyl...ss-grass-water

    Las Vegas went a record 240 days without measurable rainfall last year. Water officials in the dry region, according to reports, are now asking the Nevada Legislature for a first-in-the-nation policy banning grass that nobody walks on.

    The Southern Nevada Water Authority estimates there are almost 8 square miles of "nonfunctional turf" in the metro area – grass that no one ever walks on or otherwise uses in street medians, housing developments and office parks.

    They say this ornamental grass requires four times as much water as drought-tolerant landscaping like cactus and other succulents. By ripping it out, they estimate the region can reduce annual water consumption by roughly 15% and save about 14 gallons per person per day.
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    Lack of water in the west is a great problem, it's job security for me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toadman View Post
    At one point Boise was a nice, mellow, low key, low cost place to raise a family. My brother came close to pulling the trigger to move their for a job in the banking industry about 20 years ago. I think he regrets staying in Portland and not moving.

    In terms of water irrigation of those big lawns, it looks like Vegas is trying to get away from that. Better late than never, but it is not a big enough step, IMO.

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyl...ss-grass-water
    Well, ok, then there's the golf courses, fountains, pools, and massive hotels sucking away at the Colorado to fuel every vice known to man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Well, ok, then there's the golf courses, fountains, pools, and massive hotels sucking away at the Colorado to fuel every vice known to man.
    Fortunately, all the alcohol consumed in Vegas comes from somewhere else. So need to tap the water for that function. But yeah, the amount of water used for fountains and golf courses in Vegas is crazy.
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    Nevada owns a very small amount of the Colorado River flow. Vegas is not sucking the Colorado dry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danno View Post
    Nevada owns a very small amount of the Colorado River flow. Vegas is not sucking the Colorado dry.
    So, where is all that water coming from? Ain't the sky.

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    The're mining the aquifer. Taking out more than is going in, the definition of a limited resources. If I remember right, there is something like 400 years of water at the current rate, but that could be hogwash.
    Quick Google search results:LV gets 90% from Colorado River and 10% from groundwater.
    https://www.lvvwd.com/water-system/w...rom/index.html

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    Well, that tells me 90% from the Colorado, 10% from under the ground, but, God damn, how much water can be underground that stinking desert?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mokomahonah View Post
    The're mining the aquifer. Taking out more than is going in, the definition of a limited resources. If I remember right, there is something like 400 years of water at the current rate, but that could be hogwash.
    Quick Google search results:LV gets 90% from Colorado River and 10% from groundwater.
    https://www.lvvwd.com/water-system/w...rom/index.html

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    Yep. And while that 90% sounds big, the reality is that Southern Nevada has very small population overall, so nobody but LV needs it. But still, their share of the Colorado is small, relatively speaking, something like 400k acre-feet out of 15M acre-feet that are allocated.

    And yes, they are mining the aquifer. Pretty much everyone does it, they pick a mining "period" that seems like a long time, but in reality isn't. In Colorado, that mining condition is presumed over 100 years. And when they chose that 100 year period, they thought that was a long time. Except now we're over halfway through that 100 year period.
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    This is how water use breaks down in Utah, but it's generally true in all western states and I imagine in Nevada as well:




    There isn't a water supply shortage, it's a management problem rife with perverse incentives and markets distorted by subsidies (those farmers pay pennies on the dollar compared to municipal customers). You might say, "But, we need food!" and that's true. But, outside of the CA Central Valley most of that "agricultural" water isn't used to grow food. In UT it's mostly used to grow alfalfa hay, and much of the hay is sold to China to feed dairy cows--effectively exporting Utah's water to China, likely at a net-negative ROI when subsidies are factored in. This holds true across most of the West--highly subsidized water funds economically questionable agricultural uses that account for 80-90% of total water consumption.

    Does Vegas waste large volumes of water? Absolutely. Is Vegas, and municipal water consumers in general, creating the western water "crisis?" No.

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    ^^^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantheman View Post
    This is how water use breaks down in Utah, but it's generally true in all western states and I imagine in Nevada as well:
    Yep - Colorado info from 2010:
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4matic View Post
    That’s exactly what I though of Boise. Midwestern town.
    Midwestern town close to a lot of cool stuff really close by people didn't know about until social media. Yeah, if you swing through, the town itself wasn't/isn't great in the grand scheme. If you look around in a three hour radius, it's pretty impressive. People didn't until it starting hitting the webs.

    And now all the cool people are outdoorsy folk.

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    Las Vegas has natural ground aquifers, as does other nearby states like Arizona (Vegas translates to Meadows). Arizona "banks" their unused allotment of the Colorado River underground. And as pointed out above, it's growing shit that uses the most water (so agriculture, golf courses, and lawns). But just cooking, taking showers, swimming pools, and fountains using recycled water do not use much in the grand scheme of things. The Mormons, who made the desert bloom in SLC, built Vegas.

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    I’m thinking artificial turf yards are going to be a good bis.


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    Quote Originally Posted by skaredshtles View Post
    Yep - Colorado info from 2010:
    I’m all for water conservation, but you’re going to have to pry my Palisade peaches from my cold dead hands.


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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenboy View Post
    Water laws in the West are generally "use it or lose it". Which is crazy...
    Would it be better if someone could acquire a large amount of water rights they weren’t using and hold them speculatively instead of using a finite, scarce resource for a beneficial use?

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    The point is the use is not always needed or beneficial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenboy View Post
    Water laws in the West are generally "use it or lose it". Which is crazy...
    I did some work years ago with an Oregon non profit focused on water, and one of their tools was giving people the ability to donate or park their water rights, which means they don't lose them even if they don't pump. Not sure how widespread this strategy is, but at least people are working on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenboy View Post
    Water laws in the West are generally "use it or lose it". Which is crazy...
    Quote Originally Posted by Mazderati View Post
    The point is the use is not always needed or beneficial.
    Use it or lose it has a logical basis, and the west would look dramatically different if not for that doctrine (we likely wouldn't be here, it would never have developed at all). And by definition, the use is beneficial. "Use it" means on a beneficial use as that term is defined. Yes, society has changed, the economics and environment have changed, and no doubt we will have to tweak things to make the quantity of water available be a long term sustainable supply. But if we ditched "use it or lose it" and ditched "beneficial use" as core concepts, the shit storm that would ensue would be shittastic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by old_newguy View Post
    Would it be better if someone could acquire a large amount of water rights they weren’t using and hold them speculatively instead of using a finite, scarce resource for a beneficial use?
    https://www.watereducationcolorado.o...-grand-valley/

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