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    Exclamation In depth analysis of what we're doing as a country (NSR):

    Just found this paper: Bounding the War on Terrorism by that last bulwark of liberalism in America The Army War College

    Sorry for the politico stuff lately.
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    62 pages? Where's the CliffNotes version?
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    " In depth analysis of what we're doing as a country "


    in short, making the rest of the world our enemy. Don't beleive me check out what Bush just did at the lastest conference of the America's
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    See the summary, but it really isn't too long:

    The administration has postulated a
    multiplicity of enemies, including rogue states; weapons of mass
    destruction (WMD) proliferators; terrorist organizations of global,
    regional, and national scope; and terrorism itself. It also seems to
    have confl ated them into a monolithic threat, and in so doing has
    subordinated strategic clarity to the moral clarity it strives for in
    foreign policy and may have set the United States on a course of
    open-ended and gratuitous confl ict with states and nonstate entities
    that pose no serious threat to the United States.
    Of particular concern has been the confl ation of al-Qaeda and
    Saddam Husseinís Iraq as a single, undifferentiated terrorist threat.
    This was a strategic error of the fi rst order because it ignored
    critical differences between the two in character, threat level, and
    susceptibility to U.S. deterrence and military action.
    The result has
    been an unnecessary preventive war of choice against a deterred
    Iraq that has created a new front in the Middle East for Islamic
    terrorism and diverted attention and resources away from securing
    the American homeland against further assault by an undeterrable
    al-Qaeda. The war against Iraq was not integral to the GWOT, but rather a detour from it.
    Emphasis added
    "It is not the result that counts! It is not the result but the spirit! Not what - but how. Not what has been attained - but at what price.
    - A. Solzhenitsyn

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    Unhappy

    Go George! YAY! If you vote for this man, you should be eating bananas and rubbing poop all over yourself.
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    Originally posted by The Reverend Floater
    Go George! YAY! If you vote for this man, you should be eating bananas and rubbing poop all over yourself.
    I just spit Mountain Dew all over my screen...
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    Originally posted by The Reverend Floater
    Go George! YAY! If you vote for this man, you should be eating bananas and rubbing poop all over yourself.
    LOL....That's the best thing I've read today.
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    LB - nice quote, and from the Army War College, no less!

    I absolutely believe everything in that quote. We've forsaken the high ground (I'm not sure when we had it, but at least we sometimes tried for it) to roll in the dirt with fanatics.

    Their fanatics against our fanatics. Should be fun.

    I REALLY want to move away from D.C., and not just because of skiing.

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    Originally posted by board
    " In depth analysis of what we're doing as a country "


    in short, making the rest of the world our enemy. Don't beleive me check out what Bush just did at the lastest conference of the America's
    If other countries hate us for providing their workforce with a place to escape the shithole existence perpetuated in these third world nations...so be it. I don't know how we can be more benevolent to these countries. I guess we could stop giving money to them. let Africa cannibalize itself. not bail out the next South American currency/economy that collapses. I'm sure you could refer to The Nation or more easily the New York Times on how Big Oil is behind it all.

    As far as the Army War College goes. It is also the platform from which Shock and Awe was launched.

    The following is from Gregg Easterbrook's blog on The New Republic's website...






    THE MEEK FINALLY INHERIT SOMETHING: Whatever else you think of the George W. Bush immigration plan, just focus on this: It will make life better for millions of the disadvantaged. How often does any government action achieve this? And shouldn't a better life for the needy be among the first goals of government policy? Surely it should be among the first goals of liberal government policy. That a conservative president has done something to help millions of people with money problems, little power and an anxiety-filled life--the meek, in New Testament terms--seems such a departure from the script that the anti-poverty aspects of the Bush initiative are simply being ignored.

    Yes, there are political considerations in Bush's immigration initiative, but reaction has pretended there are only political considerations. Set aside whether Bush's decision will help Democrats or Republicans, and consider how it will help the poor. Millions of hardworking illegals who live in constant anxiety in the United States--the comfortable U.S. majority cannot imagine the endless personal apprehension and feeling of powerlessness that comes from illegal status--will be able to stop living in fear. Working conditions will almost surely improve for the millions of illegals who take the restaurant, lawn-service, cleaning, and other jobs that most Americans simply do not want. Benefits for those millions will improve, as will the odds of labor organizing.

    My guess is that the president's initiative will have a secondary effect of causing the federal minimum wage to rise, or bringing this about de facto if employers bid-up minimum wages voluntarily. It remains a national scandal that the federal minimum wage is worth nearly a third less in real-dollar terms that it was in the 1960s. (In 1963, the federal minimum wage was $7.25 an hour in current dollars; the 2004 federal minimum wage is $5.15.) It remains a national scandal that a person can work 40 hours a week at the current federal minimum wage and be impoverished by the poverty-line definition. (The 2003 Census Bureau poverty line for a childless couple was $12,120; 40 hours for 50 weeks at the current federal minimum wage brings home $10,300, minus taxes.) Today employers can bully illegal or clouded-status workers regarding wages, knowing they dare not complain; the huge pool of powerless illegal laborers is the core reason the federal minimum wage has eroded in such scandalous fashion. Once Bush's plan brings the immigrant worker into the daylight, workers will have more leverage, and pressure to raise the minimum wage is likely to increase.

    Plus there is the combination of Bush's immigration plan with his proposal to ensure that illegal workers get full credit for their Social Security taxes, and can take the benefits back home with them when they retire. Millions of illegal workers have been paying in to Social Security with no chance of getting anything in return, which in effect transfers money from one of society's worst-off groups to one of its best-off groups, middle-class American retirees. A working life of arduous low-paid toil, followed by impoverished retirement, has been the lot of millions of illegals in the United States. Now that can change. And many will have the option of returning home on retirement, in most cases to Mexico, where the buying power of the Social Security dollar is ten times what it is in the United States.

    Had a Democratic president proposed exactly what George W. Bush has proposed for the treatment of illegal immigrant workers, editorialists might have called it bleeding-heart liberalism. Fine! Hearts should bleed for the needy. That commentators have focused instead on political vote-totals analysis, and petty sniping at the Bush plan just tells us how removed contemporary media is from the struggles of the average person, and how little today's upper-middle-class journalist or upper-class political pundit cares about the daily struggles of the people who trim his or her lawn. Set all that aside and focus on what matters: the lives of millions of needy people--millions of the meek--are about to improve.

    posted 10:30 a.m.

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    PESO FOR YOUR THOUGHTS: As the Summit of the Americas ends, Mexico should be feeling much better. The immigration plan is a feather in the cap of Vicente Fox, and likely to improve daily life for millions of Mexicans as well as millions of Americans. (Mexican illegal workers will earn more here, and thus send more home; workers who retire here will return to Mexico for their senior years, with Social Security dollars to spend.) Fox's attempts to improve Mexico both in living-standards and as a civic society are little appreciated by the U.S. media, which seems unable to grasp the developing world in any terms other than the preferred doomsday narrative of chaos and misery. Living standards are rising in most of Latin America, for example, and democracy has autocracy on the run almost everywhere in the region. You'd never know that from U.S. news coverage.

    But though many things are getting better in Latin America, the mood is poor in many nations. As the Brookings Institution scholars Carol Graham and Stefano Pettinato detailed in their 2002 book Happiness and Hardship, most people in Latin America now live better than their parents did--but their expectation is that the future holds a worse life. (Pettinato is now at the Inter-American Development Bank.) Expectations, Graham and Pettinato write, dominate a society's view of itself, and expectations are low in several South American nations.

    Currency bedlam is the root cause of Latin America's declining expectations, David Malpass, chief global economist at Bear Stearns and an expert on currency exchange, argued in a recent paper for the Council for the Americas. Latin America, he said, "must stop being the continent of crashing currencies." Commentators tend to view dependable currency as a concern of bankers and industrialists. It's average people who get wiped out when currency deflates, and average people who are harmed by unstable currency; no one will write long-term mortgage loans when the future value of currency might drop fast, for example. Malpass believes that currency stabilization should be the number-one goal of all Latin America economic policy, and of U.S. policy towards Latin and South America. Sound money currency will lead to higher per capita incomes, and higher per capita incomes are the best counter-drugs, pro-environment, pro-democracy tool. Unfortunately, as Malpass notes, currency stability wasn't even on the agenda this week at Monterrey.
    "The trouble with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money" --Margaret Thatcher

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    Banana, Mr. Gyptian?
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    WooHoo!
    More cheap labor for the rich to take jobs away from the working poor already here.
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    This thread is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long to warrant me reading it, especially with all the other related threads I've wasted my time on in the last couple weeks.

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    come on lemon boy, does this forum really need more liberal propagnda bullshit fed to it? Does anyone here really need to read all this anti-bush shit? I think you have all made it quite clear you hate Bush. Thats fine, you can hate him all you want, I have no problem with that, but for God's sake lets quite promoting it and flooding the boards with it ok? I'm sick and tired of it. Every political discussion here just turns into someone quoting something stupid Bush once said 25 years ago and then it turns into a flame war and somebody tells somebody else to fuck off and it just goes downhill from there. I thought the golden rule of conversation was to never talk about politics? There will never be a good discussion on Bush here, because the opinions on him are so very different and far apart. So lets stop this, not just LB, but everyone, unless we can make it coherent and somewhat educated. 'Cause i'll tell you: "Go George! YAY! If you vote for this man, you should be eating bananas and rubbing poop all over yourself". is just a waste of everyones time. It has no point, shows no sense of intelligence, it's ignorant,and it just makes all the liberals throw their hands in the air with joy because they don't know any better. (I'm not just picking on you reverend, everybody says stuff like that)


    edit: this thread has NOTHING to do with the title either. When I read it I rolled my eyes because I knew it would just be anti-bush childish nonsense. There was no analysis at all, just a bunch of bleeding heart liberals saying that he is stupid. That article was shit too.
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    Originally posted by dipstik
    come on lemon boy, does this forum really need more liberal propagnda bullshit fed to it? Does anyone here really need to read all this anti-bush shit? I think you have all made it quite clear you hate Bush. Thats fine, you can hate him all you want, I have no problem with that, but for God's sake lets quite promoting it and flooding the boards with it ok? I'm sick and tired of it. Every political discussion here just turns into someone quoting something stupid Bush once said 25 years ago and then it turns into a flame war and somebody tells somebody else to fuck off and it just goes downhill from there. I thought the golden rule of conversation was to never talk about politics? There will never be a good discussion on Bush here, because the opinions on him are so very different and far apart. So lets stop this, not just LB, but everyone, unless we can make it coherent and somewhat educated. 'Cause i'll tell you: Go George! YAY! If you vote for this man, you should be eating bananas and rubbing poop all over yourself. is just a waste of everyones time. (I'm not just picking on you reverend, everybody says stuff like that)


    edit: this thread has NOTHING to do with the title either. When I read it I rolled my eyes because I knew it would just be anti-bush childish nonsense. There was no analysis at all, just a bunch of bleeding heart liberals saying that he is stupid. That article was shit too.
    Huh?
    Perhaps your handle is apt.
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    Na na na na naaaaaaaaaaaaaa.....
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    Workers visas lead to people over reacting when state funds are used to educate their children & take care of their families.

    Look @ California.

    we have not spent enough money, lets put a man on Mars.
    Fiscal conservative my big white ass.

    a social conservative with record spending & a new facist state of Ashcroft. the antithesis of my political views.

    I think I would do just about anything if you could Guarentee me a Bush defeat.

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    I'll summarise this thing.

    He provided a link to how "we are hated by the rest of the world" for being the badass on the block, and the other countries are whining cause they're bitch-made and can't do shit about it. If they were in our place, they would'nt give a shit.

    Then someone brought up the worst thing Bush has done, and praised it. Illegal aliens are just that...ILLEGAL. Criminals if you will. Maggots praise that logic, and than said if you doubt that idea, you eat bananas. With that type of thinking, these liberal slobs think letting all the rapists in this country go free could do nothing but good.

    Lemon Boy thinks we'd all be rich and war/problem free if the creator of the internet was in charge of shit. That's about it, another schitzophrenic thought disguised as shit worth reading.

    There you have it.

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    I was just asking how legalizing the migrants makes the rest of the world hate us.

    I don't agree with everything this administration has done. I'm just not willing to stand for the self loathing american cross some of you bear. We do a hell of a lot more good than bad, no matter how you want to slice it.

    for chrissakes even Sean Penn realizes the freedoms now realized by the Iraqis and the work still to be done there. which after his open letter in the WaPo and the ad in the NYT is a marked departure from his previously held views. His account of his trip to Baghdad is in the SF Chronicle, that noted bullhorn of conservative propaganda.
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    Originally posted by dipstik
    come on lemon boy, does this forum really need more liberal propagnda bullshit fed to it?
    From the Army War College?

    Didn't read the article did you? The article was shit? Let's hear your side sonny boy.... "Anti bush childish nonsense"? I highly doubt you could have an intellectual discussion on the topic. You're obviously full of a lot of pro- Bush nonsense. Get back to school and read a little more on the subject before posting.
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    Originally posted by milkman
    From the Army War College?

    Didn't read the article did you? The article was shit? Let's hear your side sonny boy.... "Anti bush childish nonsense"? I highly doubt you could have an intellectual discussion on the topic. You're obviously full of a lot of pro- Bush nonsense. Get back to school and read a little more on the subject before posting.
    Please point us to the Liberal shithole you attended so we can parrot the same liberal bullshit that you were brainwashed with. Thanks

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    Originally posted by Blurred Elevens
    Please point us to the Liberal shithole you attended so we can parrot the same liberal bullshit that you were brainwashed with. Thanks
    You didn't go to school did you?
    Martha's just polishing the brass on the Titanic....

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    Originally posted by milkman
    You didn't go to school did you?

    It's not school unless it's Berkeley...right?

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    Originally posted by Blurred Elevens
    That's about it, another schitzophrenic thought disguised as shit worth reading.

    There you have it.
    Isn't his projecting quaint? The weak ad hominems?

    Anyway, Mr. G almost has a point. But critiquing is not self loathing. America is the greatest. It's just that it could be better.

    If anything, Bush squandered the compassion that the world had for us after 9/11 and the unity we could have had as a nation.

    While I disagree with the oily rod in degree, I might also agree in direction.

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    Blurred, I don't think being pointed to a specific one would help. just the nearest.
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    Originally posted by mr_gyptian
    Blurred, I don't think being pointed to a specific one would help. just the nearest.
    Yeah, I bet even his community college could sway us to that way of thinking. Is that what happens when you take the red pill? Ohhhhhh, ok...gotch ya.

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