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Thread: Gas Prices
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04-19-2006, 04:14 PM #76
you know prices are bad when dawn patrols to LCC/BCC become a gift to myself cause it drains 1/4 tank to get there and back. It's so hard to say no to skiing pow but I have to find pow in closer to work/home locations.
I'm so buying a bike for work commuting this summer. Perhaps next winter I'll be able to keep up with Trackhead on the skin track."In the woods, we return to reason and faith. There I feel that nothing can befall me in life, — no disgrace, no calamity, (leaving me my eyes,) which nature cannot repair." -Emerson
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04-19-2006, 04:26 PM #77
No matter what happened that sold me once shame on you
You come up and here and do it again then its shame on me
Sometimes we be getting in trouble you didn't want learn
Sometimes we be getting so rude you ain't want see
I accept my wages like the way that I fail
I grow, I take strides and put 'em under my belt
I learned from you just like you learned from me
I plead, I pray for peace and perfect harmony
Somebody say fool you better keep on rapping
Stop that trippin', causin it ain't gone happin'
I told them look you better mind yo business
Change yo' way of thinking and keep on living
Done started some trouble and you ain't been out since
Cause you stuck inside scared watching CNN
Just take the precaution so yo life a be better
Tell my friends to call me I ain't accepting no letters
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04-19-2006, 04:33 PM #78
there's always the Subaru 2.5 rs
Originally Posted by funkendrenchman
It gets pretty darn decent mileage for an AWD vehicle and I love not having to pony up for premium. 166 horsepower is plenty for getting up the grades in the mountain.
Maybe you could downgrade from a WRX to a 2.5 rs? (now called the 2.5 i)
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04-19-2006, 04:40 PM #79
Glad I am rich
$3.00 a gallon is still cheaper than bottled water and beats walking.
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04-19-2006, 05:03 PM #80
Unrelated to gas prices but...
Today driving to work I saw a very shiny 2005 BMW 330i with this personalized license plate:
HEMPMove upside and let the man go through...
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04-19-2006, 06:51 PM #81Originally Posted by powstash
My wife still drives most of the time. Small steps. Lead by example (with mouth firmly shut.)
powstash, if you're into super cheap or rebuilding, rummage through the gear at this shop.
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04-19-2006, 07:03 PM #82
Makes you wonder why city people still think these are cool:
There's absolutely no need to own a dually unless you live on a goddamn farm... of which there are none in MY city. I hate the selfish bastards that merely drive them because they're "Cool" or "for safety." There's absolutely nothing cool about these trucks. Grow a dick.
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04-19-2006, 08:20 PM #83Registered User
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04-19-2006, 08:37 PM #84Originally Posted by funkendrenchman
Then some people talk about getting hybrids as if the fact they have better gas mileage is a legit solution. Sound wierd? As a bunch of the print media and many academic papers could tell you, the amount of mileage you need to put on the hybrid to actually generate savings is quite high (well over 100,000mi if I recall correctly). Hybrids get better gas mileage but they cost more than an equivalent non-hybrid counterpart. To recoup the price difference through gas savings you need to keep the vehicle for at least 4-5 years. I know many of you have had your car for this long but it isn't the national trend. So let's say you do keep it for 4-5, you'd still have to keep it for longer to actually be saving money instead of just breaking even. Now if you buy a hybrid because you want to pollute the environment less that's another thing, but that's rarely the direct motive of the consumer.
If prices remain at current levels and/or continue an upward trend you'll likely see more hybrid models and greater production of the current ones which will in turn generate more competition in the hybrid market and reduce the price of them. Thus the pay off period will decrease and it will be more economical to own one.
I apologize for cunting this survey thread but once people started complaining and saying things that defy simple economic behavior I had to say something. I don't mean to come off smug or arrogant, I just wanted to be informative about what is actually happening.It ain't about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward - Rocky
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04-19-2006, 08:49 PM #85Originally Posted by skiaholik
Explain to me why their profits are up. If oil prices have gone up and they haven't cut their manufacturing costs and demand has been decreased, how in the world can they make more money?
They should only raise their prices by the amount needed to cover the increase in their costs. Instead, they have been rasing it more than the increase in costs and as a result are making greater profit.Last edited by funkendrenchman; 04-19-2006 at 08:55 PM.
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04-19-2006, 09:08 PM #86
Paid $2.90/gallon for diesel today up here in Vacationland. I think it is about time to convert the TDI to grease...
"A local is just a dirtbag who can't get his shit together enough to travel."
- Owl Chapman
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04-19-2006, 09:40 PM #87rain
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mmmmmmmmmm 85 dollar fill-up!
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04-19-2006, 10:58 PM #88
2.799 to 3.089 for 87 oct. in Bellingham.
The free market is so corrupted by politics, monopoly and greed it's barely functional. Economic theory is fine, but reality is something else.
I remember gas rationing. Living on San Juan Island it didn't affect me much unless I went off island. Gas was always higher priced there but on a 56 sq mile island there was nothing all that far away.In drove this drunken madman and stopped on a dime! Unfortunately the dime was in Mr. Rococo's pocket!
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04-19-2006, 11:32 PM #89Originally Posted by funkendrenchman
I'll get back to you about the change in profit thing and how that all works out. But I'm tired and I don't want to muddle it up.It ain't about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward - Rocky
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04-19-2006, 11:47 PM #90
The average home is like 100% higher more expensive than in previous years, and you guys are worried about gas prices? Think about how much of your income is spent on housing versus gasoline and food. Americans still have it easy compared to a lot of other places.
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04-20-2006, 12:38 AM #91
Skiaholic,
With all respect your responses sound so textbook and assume the oil companies are honest and playing by the rules, among other assumptions.
They can jack the price up because we are dependent on oil. In fact we are addicted. Remember, the president said so. For the most part we have to buy gas at any price to get our fix.
I would say chances are all the ceo's of all the major oil companies have each other on speed dial. The independent oil companies will make more money just going along with the big guys than trying to compete at the pump.
I'm going to bed... oh ya, "simple economic behavior???" So 50's
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04-20-2006, 12:42 AM #92
Let gas prices go up. I paid $2.99/gal for 87 unleaded today for my truck that gets 13mpg. I can barely afford it, and it's still OK with me if gas prices go higher. Maybe then the American public will be willing to spend the money necessary to develop better public transit--rail, etc.
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04-20-2006, 01:07 AM #93Originally Posted by lemon boy
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04-20-2006, 05:04 AM #94
i haven't clued in to a lot of these arguments, but from what i can see, a few things have been overlooked. first of all, there hasn't been a new refinery built in the usa in ages. bp's texas city refinery has been out since hurricane rita last year (3rd biggest refinery in america). the regions that produce 'sweet' crude which is the easiest to refine have been the ones with the most problems actually getting their oil to market (venezuela and nigeria, both in the top 5 of usa oil importing countries). shell and eni have had to call force majure on numerous cargoes out of nigeria. cracks (the spreads b/t crude and refined products like gasoline) are at huge levels which means that the market is bidding for people to build refineries. the surge in crude has nothing to do w/ current supply levels in america, in fact, they're at their highest levels in a decade and are 'bidding' via the near term contango for whatever above ground storage there is. crude price surge has to do with the future and the fact that there could be a supply disruption in iran or a larger one in nigeria which would send prices automatically over $100 b/c of short covering.
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04-20-2006, 05:56 AM #95
2.78 - 2.98/gal Regular - Greenville, SC
of course major locations and individual companies contribute to that .20 swing
yep, you guessed it....Shell, BP, Exxon on the high end
Kangaroo, Hess, Spinx on the low
...this is out of fucking control. I feel sorry for those who are already paying over three bucks a gallon...We will be there soon enough...Its like clockwork on my way to work in the morning...the little chick at the Citgo has her big sticky number pole, sliding the numbers up every morning.....this sucks
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04-20-2006, 07:36 AM #96Originally Posted by flabango
Firms do have some bargaining power with respect to price levels my whole point in chiming in is that they aren't standing there deliberating how to fuck everyone over and charging whatever price they desire.It ain't about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward - Rocky
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04-20-2006, 07:47 AM #97Originally Posted by seatosky
Peterslovo- the conversion to grease/homebrew is a short term prospect unless you're willing to do some things that the average greaser isn't (namely entering into exclusive contracts with suppliers to actually pay them) ready for being tied to the "free" idea. And it really requires a fair amount of shop space if you were to do it "right.""It is not the result that counts! It is not the result but the spirit! Not what - but how. Not what has been attained - but at what price.
- A. Solzhenitsyn
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04-20-2006, 07:53 AM #98
Zipping along in the empty HOV(Car Pool) lane on the bike this morning, while the rest of the expressway crawls along in single-occupant vehicles, I asked myself just how high will gas go to force these people into car pooling or using our above-average public transit system, etc.. People are just sucking it up.
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04-20-2006, 08:09 AM #99Originally Posted by bc
Last edited by ArmadaBC; 04-20-2006 at 08:12 AM.
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04-20-2006, 08:18 AM #100Originally Posted by funkendrenchman
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