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08-18-2006, 01:41 PM #101Originally Posted by Hacksaw
Originally Posted by Hacksaw
Originally Posted by Hacksaw
This is on our website and I personally did this project:
"Allegro CE Used in Forest Biometrics Classes" (our other keyboarded handheld)
"Students taking Forest Biometry at Michigan State University this spring (2004) have had the opportunity to throw away clumsy paper and pen notebooks and use rugged Allegro field computers for data collection, thanks to a generous educational discount from Juniper Systems Inc., who manufactures the Allegro.
The students have been using the field computers to record a diverse array of tree and forest measurements and create electronic data for direct use in lab analyses. Previously, this required that the students enter data manually from field notebooks into computer back at the office. The Allegro docking station and related software allow for convenient and virtually instantaneous downloading of data to a PC.
Now students come out of the woods with data ready to process, which puts smiles on their faces. The students used pen and paper notebooks for the first half of the semester and the Allegros for the second half of the semester. Students loved using the Allegro, and their only complaint was that they were not "allowed them to use them sooner."
Written by Dr..............., Professor
Michigan State University Alumni Newsletter"
Case study in point.
Originally Posted by Hacksaw
Originally Posted by Hacksaw
Originally Posted by Hacksaw
And I don't know if I have that much money. It sounds as though the two of us could go to dinner at a pub and close it.
Originally Posted by Hacksaw
52 degrees when I woke up, it is coming!"boobs just make the world better really" - Woodsy
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08-21-2006, 01:26 PM #102
BEER at ISSW
I think we all need to have some BEERS!!!! at ISSW. Beware of offering to buy Ron, this gang can put them back and lay on the discussions.
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08-21-2006, 04:07 PM #103Originally Posted by Avmapper
Halsted, now I understand funding.
Looks like I would be in the right company though.
I am certainly trying to get there. Schedule has not been decided as of yet, though I am working on it with the the higher ups."boobs just make the world better really" - Woodsy
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08-21-2006, 06:36 PM #104Registered User
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Originally Posted by Buzzworthy
Have you thought of bring your wife to T-ride??? There is plenty to do other then hanging with the snownerds........
Halsted"True love is much easier to find with a helicopter"
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08-22-2006, 01:56 PM #105Originally Posted by Hacksaw
I am still trying to make it myself. Up to management right now."boobs just make the world better really" - Woodsy
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08-22-2006, 10:40 PM #106Registered User
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Originally Posted by Buzzworthy
But, remember what Robin Williams said:
"Ah, yes, Divorce, from the Latin word meaning to rip out a man's genitals through his wallet""True love is much easier to find with a helicopter"
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08-23-2006, 01:07 PM #107Originally Posted by Hacksaw"boobs just make the world better really" - Woodsy
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08-24-2006, 01:18 PM #108
Hey Buzz and Hacksaw
I think you're both "right" - there are many good ways to collect avalanche pit data. Some have better applications than others.
I'm going to be teaching a Level 1 and Level 2 class with Bill Glude at University of Alaska Southeast starting in November. Bill uses these fieldbooks that he's developed for the classes and Southeast Alaska Avalanche Center observations.
Buzz - any chance of getting ahold of a loaner unit to try out? Level 1 field sessions are in Nov and Dec, and Level 2 are in Jan and early-Feb. It would be a good way to get a bunch of people to use it.I didn't believe in reincarnation when I was your age either.
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08-24-2006, 03:13 PM #109Originally Posted by telemike"boobs just make the world better really" - Woodsy
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08-24-2006, 03:16 PM #110
thanks mang.
FYI - Bill will be at ISSWI didn't believe in reincarnation when I was your age either.
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08-24-2006, 03:45 PM #111Originally Posted by telemike"boobs just make the world better really" - Woodsy
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08-24-2006, 05:12 PM #112Registered User
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Originally Posted by telemike"True love is much easier to find with a helicopter"
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08-24-2006, 05:42 PM #113Originally Posted by Hacksaw
SAAC fieldbook
Hacksaw fieldbook
I didn't believe in reincarnation when I was your age either.
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08-24-2006, 05:53 PM #114
I am going home for a nice cold beer. Enough work today!
Edit: "this slope released as I approached it to the south" Yikes!"boobs just make the world better really" - Woodsy
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08-24-2006, 10:07 PM #115Registered User
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Originally Posted by telemike
Cheers,
Halsted
edit: P.S. And oh, my book is A LOT cheeper.......................Last edited by Hacksaw; 08-25-2006 at 10:00 AM.
"True love is much easier to find with a helicopter"
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10-05-2006, 12:55 PM #116Registered User
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Buzz? Where are the photos from ISSW?
Halsted"True love is much easier to find with a helicopter"
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10-05-2006, 04:43 PM #117
Like this one?
Last edited by Buzzworthy; 10-06-2006 at 10:48 AM.
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10-05-2006, 04:47 PM #118
Mine is better then yours! Naw, nawnawnaw!
With mandatory beers of course.Last edited by Buzzworthy; 10-06-2006 at 10:45 AM.
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10-05-2006, 04:53 PM #119
BTW,
Doug, tried sending pics, says your email is full???
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10-05-2006, 04:55 PM #120Registered User
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Originally Posted by buzzworthy
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10-06-2006, 10:42 AM #121
Comes up fine on my puter.
edit: attached em now if they are not coming upLast edited by Buzzworthy; 10-06-2006 at 10:49 AM.
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10-06-2006, 11:03 AM #122Registered User
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That's better.
Where's the peanut butter?
Don't know how you missed Halsted, Looks just like I described him.
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10-06-2006, 02:50 PM #123
Here's my amateur's $.02 on where snowpack field data can really improve.
I see 2 major problems with the current state of the art:
1) The data is all subjective. Sure there are standard ways folks are taught to gather and measure data (1 finger hard vs pencil hard, reutsh-block, etc, etc.) , but ultimately its all open for interpretation by the gatherer and vary's by their interpretation. What's an easy failure vs moderate failure?
2) Limited Data - because of the cumbersome nature of pit digging and data gathering the range of data available (whether to the individual tourer or professional forecaster is limited by how many pits you can did or how many field reports you can read). The result is that decisions are made on best available data - I'm not digging 3 or 4 pits on my tours and the CAIC forecasters are not able to thoroughly look at dozens or hundreds of pit field data at 6AM before issuing a forecast.
Buzz's tool could, if adapted widely enough, help aleviate #2 by the databasing of field reports.
I think the real revolutionary concept would be that of a more standardized method of gathering snowpack data and databasing it. To get Sci-Fi with the concept - why cant we develop a handheld tool that probes the snowpack with radar or infrared or both or???, adds GPS reading, altitude, aspect, then provides a pit profile that is both standardized and easily databased and accessed by both professionals and users. With such a tool I could take 10-20 snowpack readings in a tour rather than 1 or 2 snowpits. Then I'd have all my localized data readings, along with all those others had databased. All this data could ultimately lead to development of algorithms that could essentially forecast the relative danger for your local readings as well as overall by time and place as supported by readings.
Wild concept, but if it could happen, it would hold promise...
now off to design a hover car.
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10-06-2006, 04:06 PM #124
Very well done I may say!
A few good papers were presented on this very issue at ISSW. In summary, there are quite a few ways to interpret the data and that is where standardization could play a great role. But what method gets the standarization??? I believe this is one of the real problems.
This is a concept that some companies have a working database, so I guess it is not really a concept anymore. I and many others agree with having a database. But Hacksaw had a real good comment about this: "Who is to say that the data coming in is any good and reliable, and who's data do you look at first?" Again, the interpretation factor comes into play.
What if I told you I looked at a snow probe that does take some data (I would want to see more than it does currently)? This concept is in material form now as well. Will it be the answer, well, maybe. Maybe not. But we will find out.
"GPS reading, altitude, aspect, then provides a pit profile "
This can all be done by the Archer field PC and Doug Scott's Application.
You are way more on target with your post than you realize. But if there is one main thing I learned at ISSW is that all of this data is subject to interpretation, which leads to less accurate data if different methods are used. We are getting there slowly, but at a snail's pace. One day, one day....
So I will work on this and you let me know when the hover car is done so I can get to my mountain faster.Last edited by Buzzworthy; 10-06-2006 at 04:13 PM.
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12-04-2006, 03:35 PM #125Registered User
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No field book or gizmo was used in the formation of this field report A digicam, confuser, coupla grahics arts programs and a brain. Take a picture or two, go skiing, go home and sit in the easy chair in front of a confuser to put it together.
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