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    That's why Pio was such a good option for Idaho's 1st district.
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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    And a burning bush spoke to Moses. Mormonism is no more or less ridiculous than any other religion, including Zen, Hinduism, Native American animism, and on and on and on.

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    Do Mormons really affect you?

    An ex of mine had a 90+ yr old Grandmother who still lived alone in her home. I bet some of the local missionaries spent a combined 30-40 hours a week doing chores and yard work around her fairly large home, especially during the summers. She had all kinds of able bodied grandkids eager to help her out but she preferred the "free labor from the silly mormons" as she liked to put it. She didn't want her family doing anything when the mormons were happy to help, even though she made it quite clear she thought their beliefs were a farce with potential eternal damnation as a consequence.
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    Do Mormons really affect you?

    First person to buy me alcohol as a minor was a beautiful Mormon girl from down the street.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CelebratedSkier View Post
    An ex of mine had a 90+ yr old Grandmother who still lived alone in her home. I bet some of the local missionaries spent a combined 30-40 hours a week doing chores and yard work around her fairly large home, especially during the summers. She had all kinds of able bodied grandkids eager to help her out but she preferred the "free labor from the silly mormons" as she liked to put it. She didn't want her family doing anything when the mormons were happy to help, even though she made it quite clear she thought their beliefs were a farce with potential eternal damnation as a consequence.
    I thought it was only eternal damnation if you read the book of mormon and decided it's not for you. If you don't read the book, and just get free lawn care, you're all good. But I could be totally wrong.

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    I lived in UT most my life... as a Catholic in the most mo-mo part of Scoopland. (Scoop is a derogatory term for Mormon... as in "when they're born, god opens up their skull and scoops out their brains"). I've also lived mountain towns in CA, ID, OR, and now WY. And mormons aren't nearly as irritating as born-agains or militant atheists I've worked with in those towns.

    The only mormons that affected me were the ones I worked with.. and thats just because they're annoying and I can't stand the Utah accent when praising Brother-so-and-so or Bishop Fucktard and "choosing the right".

    But get hurt that requires hospitalization... and even non-members get non-stop deliveries of casseroles, fruit leather, and funeral potatoes... they'll even do your chores while you're recovering. And they don't even leave any literature at your house when they're done.

    If I ever move back to UT, the scoops there are negligible in my decision-making.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parvo View Post
    funeral potatoes...
    Had to google that. I'm not sure I've even ever met a Morman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raisingarizona13 View Post
    And the air quality sure has gone to shit over the last 20 or so years.
    Uh, no. Scroll down a ways to Yearly Average AQI: http://slcair.communication.utah.edu/

    Cleaner cars, less/cleaner industry, and reduced/restricted wood burning have led to demonstrably improved air quality. In the early 20th century a common job for teenage boys was sweeping the coal soot off the sidewalks downtown...multiple times per day. Of course, those improvements have largely come about because of Federal regulations and enforcement and State lawmakers are actively fighting further tightening of standards, but I digress.

    That's not to say that when a winter inversion sets in hard it doesn't suck ass, but most of the time the air is just fine. Certainly no worse than any other major metro area of ~1M people on any given day.

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    I wonder what it's like for non-mormon kids and school.
    It depends.

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    Did we mention the lowest per-pupil spending for primary education In the country? even beating out such academia hotbeds as Alabama.
    It is shameful, and odd considering the religion's focus on families and children, but it certainly doesn't translate to the worst schools in the country. Even within the state funding and performance don't go hand-in-hand. The lowest-spending district (Alpine) has some of the highest test scores. The highest-spending district (Daggett) spends almost triple what Alpine does per pupil and has some of the worst test scores. Now, average teacher salaries, those are abysmal across the board and there's no excuse for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    And a burning bush spoke to Moses. Mormonism is no more or less ridiculous than any other religion, including Zen, Hinduism, Native American animism, and on and on and on.
    Yeah, this. Mormonism has its own particularly hilarious quirks, and the historical tenets are more easily disproven since they didn't happen thousands of years ago. But, my list of grievances with it doesn't even come close to, say, Catholicism or Islam. Mormonism doesn't require the clergy to be celibate, doesn't oppose contraception, and to anyone's public knowledge so far has not perpetrated a global conspiracy to aid and abet multitudes of sexual predators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parvo View Post
    I lived in UT most my life... as a Catholic in the most mo-mo part of Scoopland. (Scoop is a derogatory term for Mormon... as in "when they're born, god opens up their skull and scoops out their brains"). I've also lived mountain towns in CA, ID, OR, and now WY. And mormons aren't nearly as irritating as born-agains or militant atheists I've worked with in those towns.

    The only mormons that affected me were the ones I worked with.. and thats just because they're annoying and I can't stand the Utah accent when praising Brother-so-and-so or Bishop Fucktard and "choosing the right".

    But get hurt that requires hospitalization... and even non-members get non-stop deliveries of casseroles, fruit leather, and funeral potatoes... they'll even do your chores while you're recovering. And they don't even leave any literature at your house when they're done.

    If I ever move back to UT, the scoops there are negligible in my decision-making.
    Yeah, somebody above mentioned how the state is nearly last in education spending, battling the likes of Mississippi for the prize, and yet, the state sends a high proportion of kids to college, and many are multi linguistic, which, of course, is a result of missionary work, but, still. Community outreach can result in a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Yeah, somebody above mentioned how the state is nearly last in education spending, battling the likes of Mississippi for the prize, and yet, the state sends a high proportion of kids to college, and many are multi linguistic, which, of course, is a result of missionary work, but, still. Community outreach can result in a lot.
    Their strong family values might having something to do with the success of the Mormon kids and schooling. It's amazing the difference it makes when parents actually get involved with their kids studies and homework and kids have a comfortable and stable home life.
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    Yup.

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    Actually Utah does just fine when it comes to school performance. Yes Utah spends the least per student of any state, in fact often by a large amount. But it would appear that per student spending has little correlation with how much kids learn. 17 states including Utah mandate taking the ACT test as a requirement for graduation. The other 33 states do not require the test. Obviously when you require the test you have many students that have no interest in attending college taking the test. Can't prove this but anecdotally I would guess this would raise the scores in the 33 other states These are the ACT composite test scores for 2014 and the $ spent per student

    Illinois 20.8 $13,075
    Colorado20.6 $9,000
    Wisconsin 20.5 $11,185
    Michigan 20.3 $11,100
    North Dakota 20.3 $12,350
    Montana 20.3 $11,000
    Wyoming 20.2 $15,800
    Utah 20.2 $6,500
    Missouri 20.2 $9,275
    Kentucky 20.0 $9,310
    Tennessee 19.9 $8630
    Louisiana 19.5 $10,750
    Alabama 19.4 $9,100
    North Carolina 19.1 $8300
    Nevada 17.7 $8,414
    South Carolina 18.5 $9,730
    Mississippi 18.4 $8265

    In looking at this data it would seem that Utah is getting the best bang for their buck. Wyoming decided to use mineral rights revenue to increase education spending significantly. They are now questioning the value as they have seen little if any improvement in student achievement. I have no explanation for why Utah does fairly well, is it possible the LDS culture, no alcohol, "strong families" etc play a role?

    Is Illinois getting value for spending more than twice as much as Utah and seeing test scores only 3% higher?
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    That was a lot of words to say they make little standardized humans who do well on standardized tests.
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    Just an uneducated guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn View Post
    That was a lot of words to say they make little standardized humans who do well on standardized tests.
    Well it's not like the states below Utah are known for good education.

    But the standardized test(SAT) is almost as good of a college success marker as high school GPA, so it does speak about how well the students are prepared for college coursework. Can't speak about ACT, I have never taken it or can recall any studies about it. So it's definitely a lot more than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn View Post
    That was a lot of words to say they make little standardized humans who do well on standardized tests.
    Performing comparably to the Kentucky on a standardized test isn't doing well. Utah does quite poorly on broad measures of student achievement: usually bottom 10. What's worse is that the state has relatively few students living below the poverty line or learning English as a second language. Ranking near Kentucky, Mississippi, etc., instead of Colorado is shameful.

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    Ok, so a standardized college entrance exam in 17 states is not reliable. Lets look at math and reading scores as reported by the Feds.

    4th grade reading scores in Utah are above the national average, Utah ranks 16th. In math Utah 8th graders score 244, the national average is 240 which puts Utah at 20th. In reading Utah 8th graders rank 16th.

    I will reiterate that Utah does ok, not a star performer but pretty good.




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    Is the right lane, the passing lane? Do they teach that in Utah? Opiate overdoses in small children has declined nationwide, except in _ _ _ _.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HansJob View Post
    Is the right lane, the passing lane? Do they teach that in Utah? Opiate overdoses in small children has declined nationwide, except in _ _ _ _.
    Mothers little helper. It's ok cause you know the Dr gave it to me.

    And yeah fucking left lane driving oblivious fucks here for sure. I high beam the shit out of them but I don't think they even understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantheman View Post

    It is shameful, and odd considering the religion's focus on families and children, but it certainly doesn't translate to the worst schools in the country. Even within the state funding and performance don't go hand-in-hand. The lowest-spending district (Alpine) has some of the highest test scores. The highest-spending district (Daggett) spends almost triple what Alpine does per pupil and has some of the worst test scores. Now, average teacher salaries, those are abysmal across the board and there's no excuse for that .
    That's funny, I would think schools as fabulous as in Utah might have taught you about spurious correlations.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdude2468 View Post
    In looking at this data it would seem that Utah is getting the best bang for their buck.
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    Jesus Christ have you ever heard of a false equivalence or spurious correlation???



    Do you seriously think the student demographics in Illinois (the highest ranked scores) are even remotely similar to student demographics of fucking Utah?!??

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdude2468 View Post
    Ok, so a standardized college entrance exam in 17 states is not reliable. Lets look at math and reading scores as reported by the Feds.

    4th grade reading scores in Utah are above the national average, Utah ranks 16th. In math Utah 8th graders score 244, the national average is 240 which puts Utah at 20th. In reading Utah 8th graders rank 16th.

    I will reiterate that Utah does ok, not a star performer but pretty good.




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    That's still dog shit, especially when you consider the poverty rates and % of students learning English as a second language.

    The one thing Utah has had going for it is that it had a historically had low rates of poverty and also low levels of geographic segregation by poverty. I suspect that this is ending / Utah is becoming more like the rest of the country in this regard, though time will tell.

    Kids who grow up in Maryland will need people to work as their underpaid employees when they grow up, so I suppose it's fine.

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    This is probably a good place for this article. I have to admit that I wouldn't want a homeless shelter in my neighborhood either, but the thought of an auditorium full of Mormons booing a homeless man is somehow appropriate.

    http://www.sltrib.com/news/5116759-1...after-hundreds

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    Quote Originally Posted by WTF is dat View Post
    That's funny, I would think schools as fabulous as in Utah might have taught you about spurious correlations.
    Project much?

    Quote Originally Posted by alias_rice View Post
    This is probably a good place for this article. I have to admit that I wouldn't want a homeless shelter in my neighborhood either, but the thought of an auditorium full of Mormons booing a homeless man is somehow appropriate.

    http://www.sltrib.com/news/5116759-1...after-hundreds
    I saw that footage last night, pathetic. I wish I could have been there with a giant "WWJD?" sign. The two sites the mayor offered up are next to the prison for fucks sake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alias_rice View Post
    This is probably a good place for this article. I have to admit that I wouldn't want a homeless shelter in my neighborhood either, but the thought of an auditorium full of Mormons booing a homeless man is somehow appropriate.

    http://www.sltrib.com/news/5116759-1...after-hundreds
    That's pretty fucking disgusting.

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