Is PM GEAR the next Igneous?

[gonzo]

What I was getting at is that PMGear has a scalable production model. Pat does not make the skis. Pat inspects the skis when they come off the press, etc. and makes sure they are up to snuff. How many skis could Pat inspect four days per week for 2 months? How many skis could Pat and Tyrone inspect four days a week for 2 months? How many skis could Pat and Tyrone make if they had the necessary equipment and 10 non-burnout dedicated ski-bum/engineers working for them?

At this point in their growth, the bottleneck is production/capital. If they were to grow past 400 pair/year would the bottleneck move to sales? Could that be fixed via ramped up marketing and advertising?

PMGear may be similar to Ingeous in the general market they serve, but they have a much more scalable prodiction model. All they need to do is make sure a Bro Model is up to snuff before they sell it. They do not need to take a custom order and build it by hand.

[gramps]

I don't see PMGear and Igneous as similiar at all. PMGear is making what looks like a nice ski, but it seems pretty comparable to a lot of stuff that's on the market now.

As compared to PMGear, you can walk into the Igneous shop in Jackson and the guys there are the ones that make your skis with the equipment that is also there. There's a wider variety of sizes and shapes to pick from. Their newer skis (with the wood topsheets) are beautiful, and from what I've seen, indestructible. Their FFF is way beyond anything else I've ever seen, in beef and durability. Their older skis are very heavy, the newers skis are not, in fact I think my friend's 190 FFFs are quite light for the size. My friend helped press his own skis, and had heli-coils inserted so he could have interchangeable binding plates, one for tele, one for alpine. This was done with a hand-drawn diagram he brought into them.

[Cornholio]

What I was getting at is that PMGear has a scalable production model. Pat does not make the skis. Pat inspects the skis when they come off the press, etc. and makes sure they are up to snuff. How many skis could Pat inspect four days per week for 2 months? How many skis could Pat and Tyrone inspect four days a week for 2 months? How many skis could Pat and Tyrone make if they had the necessary equipment and 10 non-burnout dedicated ski-bum/engineers working for them?

At this point in their growth, the bottleneck is production/capital. If they were to grow past 400 pair/year would the bottleneck move to sales? Could that be fixed via ramped up marketing and advertising?

PMGear may be similar to Ingeous in the general market they serve, but they have a much more scalable prodiction model. All they need to do is make sure a Bro Model is up to snuff before they sell it. They do not need to take a custom order and build it by hand.

This is what I was trying to say.

I think I need 3 years of law school.

[horizon]

Did they buy some unknown Romanian ski companies leftover stock and put new topsheets on it?"

Fuck, that was my business idea, did you have to go and ruin it??

[mr_gyptian]

I beg to differ (again). Igneous is still in business and chances are they are in the factory tonight making skis with their own hands....just look at my quiver. The FFL (cherry top sheet) are from last season and the FGS (maple) are from '03 and the FGS (chill blue) are from the late 90's

what are the respective measurements of the FFL and FGS. my lord they are beautiful.

[TomK]

what are the respective measurements of the FFL and FGS. my lord they are beautiful.

All here: http://www.igneousskis.com/shapes.htm

[splat]

Thank you for all the positive support and kind words. We fight daily to keep going, knowing our breakout year will happen eventually when the scaling up works. I am humbled by the kindness and good will of all of you.

Good thread for thought, Yoss.

[skier666]

You just like how twin-tips look... you don't ski switch.

...that's wierd, I thought I liked landing switch in the park and in the pipe....must not be me, maybe I'm thinking of you...wait.....nope, you have a "no air policy."



Mr gyptian....hot damn, that's a super sick collection by the way.

[Dexter Rutecki]

Nice Markers, gaper!

[slim]

...that's wierd, I thought I liked landing switch in the park and in the pipe....must not be me, maybe I'm thinking of you...wait.....nope, you have a "no air policy."

I roll strictly knee to face.

[runethechamp]

I roll strictly knee to face.

What about ski-back-head-goggle and up again?

[elevens]

Nice Markers, gaper!

I was wondering how long it would take.......

[MTT]

PM GEAR!!


SEE THE BRO MODEL REVIEWED IN THE COULOIR AND POWDER MAGAZINE 2005 GEAR GUIDES.

We are currently accepting pre-orders for the 05/06 Bro Model. Skis will ship to customers October 2005. Quantities are limited so order now!

Get this updated. It is out of date, Big perception issue to those who are new to your products.

[skiguide]

PM GEAR!!


SEE THE BRO MODEL REVIEWED IN THE COULOIR AND POWDER MAGAZINE 2005 GEAR GUIDES.

We are currently accepting pre-orders for the 05/06 Bro Model. Skis will ship to customers October 2005. Quantities are limited so order now!

Get this updated. It is out of date, Big perception issue to those who are new to your products.

Updated per your request, sir
(I thought it had already been done, since the add to cart buttons had recently been updated. the problem is just not enough time on everyone's hands to take care of this stuff)

yes, we absolutely agree that perception is everything. (and out of date website content is one of my main pet peeves, too - I know it's a big deal to all web customers.)

fyi, we've had a new version of the website in the works for a while now, as well. we're just taking our time with it to get it done right.

[Big Tim]

The environment in which PM Gear is working in is different than Iggys. You can thank the internet, but things have changed. The PM crew understands the dynamics of an internet community such as this. Never before could a company get the word out about it's product to so many "core" users in the early phase at virtually no cost. These core useres are the conectors and mathens of our sport. They are the people who want to know everything about their sport, and whom their freinds and others look to for advice. This without a doubt enhances the chance of initial success. Long term success relies upon a quality product priced right ( $800 Iggys greatly limits your market to the core of the core). From the first reports it would seem the PM Gear has delivered on both of these points. In the mean time I've just received some Bros and can't wait to try them........

BT

[Yossarian]

These core useres are the conectors and mathens of our sport.

So true.

[Crinkle]

who balked at something in the "PM Gear Bro Model" name. PM Gear reminds some people of PMS. For a middle-aged professional who does not get the "Bro Model" reference and does not ski enough in an area where they'll be recognized as "cool" skis, "Bro" is not an aspirational term for them to have on their skis. Less of a problem than the Seth Pistol or Seth Viscious have, obviously, but in a similar vein with that kind of demographic. Faux spirituality or something similar just sells better.

I believe that you are "over-thinking/over-analyzing" the name. Who gets Gotama reference? or Chief, or 666 and the list goes on. If they are looking to be recognized as "cool" for what they ski on, they are in the wrong market. Believe in how it skis, not how they are percieved for having them on their feet. If they are worreid about what others think of them for having "bro" on thier skis, then this is most likely not the ski for them, as PM Gear is providing a product for specific market, which is not so much "trend" or "perception" oriented as they are "performance" oriented.

[Core Shot]

My friend helped press his own skis, and had heli-coils inserted so he could have interchangeable binding plates, one for tele, one for alpine. This was done with a hand-drawn diagram he brought into them.

Now that is fricking cool.
A great idea for traveling lighter with Alpine and Tele gear.

You could do the same thing with alpine and rando binders.

[iceman]

So true.

heh.....................

[Yossarian]

hope this was interesting!

[runethechamp]

I believe that you are "over-thinking/over-analyzing" the name. Who gets Gotama reference? or Chief, or 666 and the list goes on. If they are looking to be recognized as "cool" for what they ski on, they are in the wrong market. Believe in how it skis, not how they are percieved for having them on their feet. If they are worreid about what others think of them for having "bro" on thier skis, then this is most likely not the ski for them, as PM Gear is providing a product for specific market, which is not so much "trend" or "perception" oriented as they are "performance" oriented.

But if you are talking about success of a product, in this case the Bro Model, it's tough to say that you are not interested in the people who wants the ski partially, or fully because of the name/status/coolness of the ski. What happens with PMGear in 2 years when everybody oin this board who is interested has a BRO model?

[Yossarian]

Here's an interesting old thread.

Anything to add from the last year?

[Squatch]

I thought you were Chris Knight now?

[Twoplanker]

What happens with PMGear in 2 years when everybody oin this board who is interested has a BRO model?

Then we WIN! Everybody wins!

[Kya]

Can't wait to ride my Fatty Bros all the time this year......except for the epic dumps, then the FFF get the call. I've been stroking them both a lot lately.

Like Twoplanker said, its a win-win