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05-04-2006, 01:38 PM #101drowning
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Whether or not you're injury prone, pushing to hard or a hypochondriac is for you to decide.
If you're going out and getting yourself hurt to the point that you think you're tearing ligaments and breaking your leg 1/2 the time you're skiing, personally I think you need to slow down. I consider myself a "dedicated" skier and have only been hurt to the point I couldn't ski the next day a handful of times in 16 or 17 years. What is right and good for me may not be for you, but something for you to consider.
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05-04-2006, 01:41 PM #102Originally Posted by crashnburn'd
yeah....my legs basically hurt all the time UNLESS I am skiing....sometimes I can barely walk, but its part of the territory...you ski hard, you hurt hard...thats what beer is for
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05-04-2006, 01:42 PM #103
A PSA just for you Max
"It is not the result that counts! It is not the result but the spirit! Not what - but how. Not what has been attained - but at what price.
- A. Solzhenitsyn
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05-04-2006, 01:47 PM #104Originally Posted by Below Zero
But I guess I just have to get used to the fact that pain goes with skiing. Growing up, I've been used to stuff that's less conducive to injuries (i.e. golf and basketball in my earlier years). Perhaps I should learn the meaning of the phrase "suck it up," cuz growing up I've been used to fixing problems instead of just dealing with them (comes from dad being a doc.)
And going a LITTLE slower would probably help. Because I AM much less skilled and confident than the guys I was skiing with on Sunday (and on Dec. 17). Might have to be a pain in the ass and ask whoever I'm with to wait on me for the sake of safety (Got suckered into skiing much harder than I wanted to/should have this weekend). Better than breaking stuff all the time, though.
Anyway, I'm just glad I'm not really hurt. I would be PISSED. So, no more bitching. Just relief.
Edit: thanks LB.Last edited by Max Gosey; 05-04-2006 at 01:54 PM.
Days on snow 06-07: 3
Days behind a boat summer 2006: 24
"Coming here and asking whether you need wider skis is like turning up at the Neverland Ranch and asking Michael if he'd like to come to Tampa with the kids" -bad roo.
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05-04-2006, 01:51 PM #105Originally Posted by Max Gosey
thats the attitude man.....if you dont tomahawk at least once a season you arent gonna get any better....then again, you really didnt have a season and got uber beatered once this year....thats enough for 5 seasons, let alone 20some days of skiing
and I mean you are coming off a serious injury dude....take it easy until next year
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05-04-2006, 02:00 PM #106
I think hanging with phish may be detrimental to your health. You have to understand that you broke your neck a few months back and maybe tomahawking is not in your best interests right now. Pressure and stepping up your game is good but doing it on your first day back is not a good move. You don't jump to where you were after a layoff let alone pushing yourself further. Resist peer pressure or at least learn who pushes you because they know your limit/possibilities and who pushes you because they don't want to be the only ones doing it.
Move along nothing to see here.
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05-04-2006, 02:05 PM #107
Max, I think you may be pushing yourself a little beyond your ability. Maybe trying to tell other maggots, "Yeah I can hang". It's good to ski with other skiers that are better than you because they'll push you, but you need to know your limits.
"Can't vouch for him, though he seems normal via email."
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05-04-2006, 02:08 PM #108Originally Posted by weibo
yeah, you really shouldn't listen to me ever about anything, im kinda "special" if you know what I mean...
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05-04-2006, 02:10 PM #109Squatch Guest
Sometimes the best thing for skiing that you can do is to stop skiing.
Ultimately this comes down to you knowing what your body can do and what your limits are. Pushing yourself beyond the limits of safety can result in disaster, as I'm sure you're aware. If I'm not feeling it that day, or I'm tired, or whatever, I'm not going to try and charge. For me, confidence is so important that if I feel like I'm not able to something, I can't do it.
The hardest thing is skiing with people that feel good that day and want to send it. you gotta have the self-confidence to say no, and not feel like a pussy afterwards. Pushing it when you're not ready leads to stuff like beatering off hucks you could have stuck otherwise.
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05-04-2006, 02:10 PM #110
eh. Max wasn't out of his ability last weekend. Kid can get down the hill, and he didn't push it at all. Just unfortunate. Shit, he followed us down pali, and in those conditions it was above MY ability.
Drive slow, homie.
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05-04-2006, 02:16 PM #111Originally Posted by Z
Last edited by Below Zero; 05-04-2006 at 02:19 PM.
"Can't vouch for him, though he seems normal via email."
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05-04-2006, 02:18 PM #112Originally Posted by Below Zero
Yes, we do push each other and that is why there are top notch skiers and riders around here.
Just don't be afraid to say, yeah, I'll meet ya down there. Being called a puss is much less painful than a broken neck or leg.
Dude, be careful."boobs just make the world better really" - Woodsy
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05-04-2006, 02:23 PM #113Originally Posted by Buzzworthy
Yeah, just do what I do when I puss out....blame it on my gear
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05-04-2006, 02:34 PM #114Squatch GuestOriginally Posted by Z
You skied with max the first day. (Where were you sunday? puss. ) The first day back on skis after a long hiatus, I can hang. The second day MEGA-soreness sets in, and, especially if I go hard the first day after a long break, I am a disaster on the hill. Especially in the bumps. My guess is that this is Max's problem...being tired/sore in bumps keeps me from attacking them, since I react too late, and by then I'm kicked into the backseat and out of control. Generally this ends in a beater.
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05-04-2006, 02:50 PM #115Originally Posted by MOHSHSIHd
Fixed it for ya."boobs just make the world better really" - Woodsy
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05-04-2006, 02:52 PM #116Originally Posted by SquatchDrive slow, homie.
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05-04-2006, 02:58 PM #117
I thought I was skiing the line ok, it's just that I'm probably not to the ability level that I can adapt like g4n did right in front of me (wasn't that sore, squatch, but good thinking). He had the same problem: saw the rock, mini-hucked away from it, and continued skiing his line. I got thrown off by the fact that there was a rock where I didn't expect there to be one and couldn't really recover.
I did the exact same thing over in Land of the Giants on the line you saw me skiing in my TR first time I skied it: 'HOLY SHIT! THERE'S A FUCKING ROCK, BETTER STRAIGHTLINE!' And since the snow was smooth, I got away with it.
Just gotta ski slower when there's a possibility of something jumping out at me, i.e. rollovers, weird fall-lines, changing pitches, shitty light, etc.
Definitely made a bad choice trying hard to keep up with whoever I was skiing with (now that I think about it, I kinda felt like I had something to prove to everybody I was with--that I can ski--, but it wasn't worth it) instead of taking it at a pace appropriate for me, and appropriate for me just getting back on skis with a broken neck.
Funny thing is that some female friends I have blame it on me for getting hurt... I'll take some responsibility but not all. :thumbsdown:
I LOVED getting scared in Vail with Telekop, Telehoar, and Summit on 15ish-ft huck into pow they were sending. I was skiing well that day and I had skied with them all day before that, so they knew what i was capable of. They were confident I could do it, and I was confident they wouldn't chuck me off of anything I couldn't handle (and I still feel that way about Summit, which is why I love to ski with him... when he's sober anyway ). I'd like to ski with a few more of you in different conditions in order for some of you to get a feel for how I ski before I push myself too much (if I'm gonna ski with you a lot... if not, this isn't a concern, but I do hope that the maggots are my main ski partners for my time in CO).
So a lot of it was my mistake: just pushing too hard, forgetting I had a damn broken neck (which really shouldn't have much to do with my leg except for my fitness level, which wasn't all that bad).
This has kinda been talked to death, and I appreciate your input to help me think about this stuff. Knowing how hard to push is much more critical than I had originally thought.Days on snow 06-07: 3
Days behind a boat summer 2006: 24
"Coming here and asking whether you need wider skis is like turning up at the Neverland Ranch and asking Michael if he'd like to come to Tampa with the kids" -bad roo.
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05-04-2006, 03:08 PM #118Originally Posted by Max Gosey
Be a dick!
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05-04-2006, 03:21 PM #119Originally Posted by Z
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05-04-2006, 03:22 PM #120Originally Posted by Max Gosey
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05-04-2006, 03:25 PM #121
Max, skiing is a progression and I don't really see too many shortcuts. Not for me anyway. I figure you just gotta ski and ski and mix it up and push yourself and ease off and see how your progress is inevitable.
Every step of the journey should be fun. Either that or you're skiing moguls.
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05-04-2006, 03:27 PM #122Squatch Guest
something i neglected to mention: when I am in better shape I deal with falls, crashes, and impacts better. when I am out of shape, that's when crashes result in more serious injury. so keep up the lifting and stuff, max, and i guarantee you'll be ready to send it come winter.
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05-04-2006, 04:06 PM #123
For what little it's worth, my take:
- Progression comes from a mix of reps (leading to confidence, comfort, and conditioning) and pushing the envelope (leading to growth)
- These require staying healthy. Fear, Discomfort, even Pain may be part of the game, but Injury is not.
- Staying healthy doesn't mean not pushing, it means knowing when to go for it and when not to (although of course it's really a spectrum of GoingForItNess).
Max, you hit on it right there at the end.
In the final analysis, the "real" key to progression is knowing when to dial it back and knowing how much to do so, in order to be able to continue to push again and again.
Even the pros - no wait, *especially* the pros - back off. That's what keeps them around for long enough to be pros. Great skiers who get hurt don't stay great, and don't stay pro/gressing.
Best of luck "discovering" your Whens and HowMuches - it's a bit different for all of us, and of course, it's a process of trial and error. The trick and hope is that the errors aren't so big so as to stop the discovery process. You dodged one with the neck thing, perhaps try to come at the balance point from the under-shoot-the-"landing" side for a bit now? Take it a bit easier, and come at it from underneath?
See you out there!Last edited by Yossarian; 05-04-2006 at 04:18 PM.
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05-04-2006, 04:25 PM #124
Thanks, Yoss.
LS, just to be clear, it was not the fault of the maggots at ALL. It was just a "hey want to go ski this? no pressure, max". And it was ME who said "eh... yeah sure". That way MY error and no one else's. So don't think I'm putting any blame on any of you guys. All on me.
Yeah, squatch, I'm looking forward to getting in great shape. From what I've read on here, people in great shape don't break legs when they land badly off 50 ft'ers, but those in not-so-great shape do. That's part of my inspiration.Days on snow 06-07: 3
Days behind a boat summer 2006: 24
"Coming here and asking whether you need wider skis is like turning up at the Neverland Ranch and asking Michael if he'd like to come to Tampa with the kids" -bad roo.
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05-04-2006, 04:33 PM #125Originally Posted by Yossarian
Thinking things like "I'm not feeling this today, but my buddy who I usually keep up with wants to ski this" and "I don't want to seem like a pu$$y in front of the group by saying 'No' to this line" causes people to make irrational decisions and puts them in position to die (in the extreme case).
Originally Posted by Max Gosey
But, yeah....give yourself time to heal from your previous injuries, then work hard to be in the best shape of your life (think: core), and the improvements will be evident in all areas of your skiing (and probably life...even your mental state).
You dodged a bit of a bullet here and got away with just a scare. Be thankful and know that you can make 06-07 an amazing season.
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