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11-10-2005, 02:35 PM #101Registered User
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I still don't buy this" baker is the exception" stuff.
Lets use a couple of analogies here:
If I'm driving down the road, hauling ass and swilling on a fifth of Beam, would you pull me over and take away my keys and license? God help you if you did, but more likely you would call and let the proper authorities handle it.
If Tracy in Brooklyn saw a crack head jump off the Brooklyn Bridge would she feel responsible for the body retrieval? No. Would she feel like its her fault that she didn't stop him? I would hope not.
As for idiots that have been warned, I say fuck'em. Its not your worry.
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11-10-2005, 02:45 PM #102
Like i said diggler - I wouldn't do it but I can certainly understand why someone would
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11-10-2005, 03:15 PM #103Originally Posted by Dirk Diggler
I personally would not try to pull somebody's pass unless I was employed to do so- however I would ensure that an employee was notified promptly and that the group was met by Patrol. It is your responsibility to bring up the discussion with unprepared touring group to offer important insight- and if necessary, report them to Patrol- without knowledge and proper gear- THEY ARE A HAZARD
Baker Patrol monitors channel 9.11 and most people who ride the BC carry radios with them- so they are easy to contact. Baker's boundary policy is in plain view on signage at high traffic exit points on what is required to utilize the BC along with the backs of tickets. Plain and simple. It is your responsiblity as a backcountry skier/boarder to educate and inform if necessary. To prevent accidents, it is imperative in such a high usage area like Baker.
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11-10-2005, 03:23 PM #104Fear the Meadow Skipper
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Originally Posted by LeeLau
Except if you mean that it has a safer snowpack on average than 90% of the rest of the world, then, yea its SPECIAL.
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11-10-2005, 03:27 PM #105who guards the guardians?
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Originally Posted by Dirk Diggler
If I was a base jumper who launched off the bridge 2-3 times a week...
and then I saw a kid try to copy me with a backpack, fishing line and bedsheets...
I'd have something to say to them - if only for the purely selfish reasoning that they'll get it closed down for people who know what they're doing.
Hey, I respect both sides of the argument so forgive me for not being able to resist playing devil's advocate.I'm just a simple girl trying to make my way in the universe...
I come up hard, baby but now I'm cool I didn't make it, sugar playin' by the rules
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11-10-2005, 03:36 PM #106Registered User
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Originally Posted by Squirrel99
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11-10-2005, 03:41 PM #107Fear the Meadow Skipper
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Originally Posted by Squirrel99
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11-10-2005, 03:51 PM #108Registered User
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Does the Baker militia clip tickets for fast and out of control skiing in area? Drunk/Stoned Skiing? Jumping on trails?
Education is cool, stealing $30 isn't.Elvis has left the building
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11-10-2005, 03:55 PM #109
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11-10-2005, 04:04 PM #110
aye - I have to agree about the education part. I do a lot of trail work and educating people about biking responsibly is tough. Too much and it sounds like lecturing. Cutting a ticket - Im just not so sure it will get a message into really hard heads. I'm sympathetic but I don't think I would do it but I can understand why you'd do it.
Funny chinese character guy - I meant that I've always thought of Baker as a place where ducking ropes and getting into shit is especially easy. Now that I think a little more - most ski areas are like that so I guess i was wrong there.
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11-10-2005, 04:29 PM #111Registered User
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LL,
I'm all for education 100%, but to say it is my "responsibility" to educate is just wrong. Will I make comments to people or discuss concerns? Sure. But I have no right or authority to tell them to do anything. This is America and last time I checked WA was a part of it. Those people have a right to be there whether I like it or not.
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11-10-2005, 05:06 PM #112Originally Posted by Dirk Diggler
I leave any ticket pulling to resort mgmt & patrol. But if somebody is acting recklessly and placing others in danger- then yes, it's your right to tell them. And if they continue to be a concern- then notify Patrol. But I guess in your book, ignorance is bliss. Fuck it, let them continue. It's America. Maybe next time they'll drop in above me without thinking and start a slide.
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As for "It's America" - well, it is and people can do what they want- however---> Rules/Policy at Mt Baker is that without Avy Gear, etc...you are not allowed to access the backcountry. http://www.mtbaker.us see mountain policy section
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I may not agree fully with how some guys try to get their point across- but the crew at Baker is a solid group. These are good people and they do not want to see repeats of what happened at the area in '98-'99. There's some bad history there. Like Hop stated- there are usually only one or two incidents a year where you'd even need to get Patrol involved. Usually a nice, quick conversation is all that is needed to get the other party using their brain. Although not "employed" by Mt Baker, many of these guys are associated with Baker on a sponsorship level so they do have a stake in the operations of the resort and feel a responsibility to at least try and educate people before they do something that not only could endanger themselves but others. I see no harm in this.
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but I don't want to get into a big debate- as it's been done before. This thread has kind of been diverted.
Peace everyone!Last edited by Squirrel99; 11-10-2005 at 05:13 PM.
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11-10-2005, 05:33 PM #113Registered User
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I guess I'm looking at this from a broader perspective than just Mt Baker OB. I do not go to ski areas and do my best to get away from everybody in the bc, not just the idiots. Therefore I focus on myself and my partners. I'd suggest that if you feel threatened by other people, then head the opposite direction asap.
What I think is just as ridiculous as idiots in the bc, are the self righteous people who cannot mind their own business and think its their job to be hero and save everybody. People are going to be stupid and they are going to die. Whether its skiing, driving, on the river, etc. You cannot save someone who doesn't want to be saved. I've seen this first hand. When he died was I bummed? Yep. Did I feel like it was my fault? Absolutely not. Had he been warned? Yep, plenty.
PS. Can someone post the WA statute that describes what level of training avy gear, etc is required to bc ski on public land? I'm interested in how you go about determining who is allowed to be there and who is not.
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11-10-2005, 05:36 PM #114Originally Posted by 粉末雪
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11-10-2005, 07:42 PM #116Fear the Meadow Skipper
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Originally Posted by The AD
But you already knew that.
To characterize the Baker situation as unique because of its maritime snowpack and proximity to a bunch of yayhoos would be specious.
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11-10-2005, 07:49 PM #117Originally Posted by Dirk DigglerPutting the "core" in corporate, one turn at a time.
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11-10-2005, 07:59 PM #118Originally Posted by Squirrel99
Hop - thanks for clarifying the whole clipping of the passes thing. (sorry it opened a can of worms). I just assumed that since Grant was talking about clipping passes that he had a side gig as a patroller."In the woods, we return to reason and faith. There I feel that nothing can befall me in life, — no disgrace, no calamity, (leaving me my eyes,) which nature cannot repair." -Emerson
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11-10-2005, 08:22 PM #119Originally Posted by powstash
Essentially, it's only a matter of time before some retard dies out on the Elbow, Baker gets sued, and has to close the terrain. As a result, the owners and mountain managers have told mbs, hop, myself, and others that it is perfectly okay for us to pull passes out on the Elbow. Most of us never do. Baker is "unique" in that we drink, party, ski, and socialize with the owners and mountain manager outside of the ski world. We have their home numbers, etc...OOOOOOOHHHH, I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!
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11-10-2005, 08:29 PM #120Registered User
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Originally Posted by hop
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11-10-2005, 08:31 PM #121Fear the Meadow Skipper
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Originally Posted by BakerBoy
I'm headin' to Baker! This should be entertaining.
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11-10-2005, 08:49 PM #122Originally Posted by 粉末雪
Let us know when you get here. mbs will threaten to kick your ass (usually the only ass that gets kicked is his own, by his woahman), and hop and myself will be happy to show you around. Do you even ski?OOOOOOOHHHH, I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!
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11-10-2005, 09:34 PM #123Fear the Meadow Skipper
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Originally Posted by BakerBoy
Could I get deputized too, and ride with the posse to hunt down the bad guys?
Anyways, all kidding aside, thanks for the offer, I'll get in touch when in the area. Maybe I can return the favor. And if mbs is threatening to kick my ass, then I must be doing something right.Last edited by 粉末雪; 11-10-2005 at 10:28 PM.
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11-11-2005, 02:08 PM #124Originally Posted by Dirk DigglerPutting the "core" in corporate, one turn at a time.
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11-11-2005, 04:07 PM #125
In other news, I think it is pretty interesting (tude vibe aside) that such a strong culture of peer enforcement for safety would exist.
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