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Thread: Q for engineers & others: Will the volume of a steel box change when deformed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by toast2266 View Post
    As a sitting member of the TGR jury, you've convinced me. Fuck those guys. Take them to the cleaners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RootSkier View Post
    Because I am fighting with a company that lied about the size of its dumpsters for a very long time.
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    Just my reaction based on some product managers I've worked with.

    If the OP had just said "Nice theory, prove it" problem would solve itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by californiagrown View Post
    i read the first sentence of your post.

    depends. If you cram shit into it that deforms the sides out (think punching out a toe box in a ski boot) then the volume increases. If your frontend loading garbage truck keeps missing the side slots and slams its forklift arms into the front, then you are decreasing the volume.

    My guess, is that your guy is talking about how overtime, the floor of the dumpster is slightly deformed downwards by the years of heavy garbage and so the volume is increased. It would be easy to measure by simply filling it with water at the beginning, and then filling with water at the end and measuring/metering the volume of water used.



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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
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    Yeah, /thread. Just have to pay for x many yards of water or find someone who's draining a pool or something.

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    But is the dumpster rated for that much weight?

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    How many ranges fit in the dumpster?
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    On a treadmill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stealurface831 View Post
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    Third floor bathroom specialist?
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    Is dispatch is casually forgetting to schedule your dump and return yet?


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    Quote Originally Posted by californiagrown View Post
    Whats the tolerance for "in compliance"? is 2.99cy in compliance? is 2.84CY in compliance?

    I believe compliance is up to the tried of fact.

    Some thoughts. I think you could embarrass and discredit this expert.

    Did he calculate the actual increase in volume from dumpsters in use? If no why not?

    What is the proportional value of these increases? He will likely say he didn’t calculate that but even a litigator could handle that math [emoji6]. If it comes out to $1.50 and the dumpster costs $80 to empty his analysis seems to prove your point.

    Hail Mary; measuring deformation with the live load of a person is not accepted science. He could have easily added force. File a Motion In Limine to exclude this portion of his testimony (and maybe the whole thing). I don’t think that test would stand up to the Daubert challenge if that was really part of his test.

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    From experience, a loader operator is completely capable of both expanding and reducing the volume of a dumpster within the same minute.

    Would your lawsuit completely go away if the disposal company called the dumpster sizes tall, grande, and venti?

    Protip: you can get a lot more in a dumpster if you set fire to the contents daily. Just like this thread.
    Wait, how can we trust this guy^^^ He's clearly not DJSapp

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    Also, when can we start a class action about 2x4's not being 2"x4"?
    Wait, how can we trust this guy^^^ He's clearly not DJSapp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not DJSapp View Post
    From experience, a loader operator is completely capable of both expanding and reducing the volume of a dumpster within the same minute.
    Stealurface831 can do the same thing with the third floor bathroom toilet.

    Do not go in there after he's used it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Chupacabra View Post
    Stealurface831 can do the same thing with the third floor bathroom toilet.

    Do not go in there after he's used it.
    Can he close the lid afterward?
    Wait, how can we trust this guy^^^ He's clearly not DJSapp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danno View Post
    How many ranges fit in the dumpster?
    Thank you for getting this important thread on track.

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    swing your fucking sword.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not DJSapp View Post
    Also, when can we start a class action about 2x4's not being 2"x4"?
    that's where my brain went reading OP: "nominal" 3 yds, or 3 yd "class" of dumpster, but i'm sure there's contract language somewhere for all the lawyers to fight over

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    I'm gonna start suing ski companies for skis measuring short.

    If there's standardized ways to measure garbage, there should be a standardized way to measure skis.

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    I have a few six yarders. Stupid angled top prevents maximum utility. Of course their argument is the front would be too high for midgets to access it. But ok. They could have made it flat and deeper. It’s a mafia conspiracy.

    PS. We don’t need no stinking archimedes. It’s a simple geometric shape. If you can’t compute volume with a tape measure you have no right to complain.

    PPS. I once filled a six yard with five hundred pounds of broken glass. They were not happy. Almost broke the machine.
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    Pretty much all of californiagrown’s first 5 posts are spot on. Didn’t read past that


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    Quote Originally Posted by Core Shot View Post
    PS. We don’t need no stinking archimedes. It’s a simple geometric shape. If you can’t compute volume with a tape measure you have no right to complain.
    shit gets complicated when the sides are not perfectly square... which they wont be. And apparently we are now also considering every dent and deflection. Godspeed using a tape to precisely measure that volume- seems like a prank you might play on a CM intern in the field on their first day.


    Really it comes down to tolerance, and what is considered in compliance. If the 3yard dumpster actually measures 2.92 yards, is that in compliance? If the company gives you a "3CY Dumpster" that only holds 2.84cy of water, but you can actually fit 3.5cy of crap piled above the rim, and they accept 1cy of overfill at no extra cost... are they shorting the customer, or are they giving the customer a good deal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ::: ::: View Post
    that's where my brain went reading OP: "nominal" 3 yds, or 3 yd "class" of dumpster, but i'm sure there's contract language somewhere for all the lawyers to fight over
    There is literally no contract language about this, except invoices recognizing "3 YD" dumpsters. All other dumpster measurements are close to accurate, as far as we can tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RootSkier View Post
    There is literally no contract language about this, except invoices recognizing "3 YD" dumpsters. All other dumpster measurements are close to accurate, as far as we can tell.
    You said that the company allows customers to overfill by 1CY before fining/charging/refusing pickup.

    Doesnt this mean that even if they provided a 2.5cy dumpster, they were actually providing 3.5cy of storage... and were therefore providing service in excess of what was advertised? Why not?

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