Collagen - anybody use this crap and see any positive effects?

[garyfromterrace]

Apologies if this has been discussed previously but my search came up dry.

Anybody using this? My old masseuse raved about it and ran into a guy at the gym yesterday who swears by it. Yeah, I could google it but I'd probably trust a mags opinion instead of some rando basement dwelling nutcase shit-posting dentist. Oh... wait..

[climberevan]

My understanding is that ones body makes all of the collagen needed if the diet is decent.

I was gifted a can of it so I've been throwing it into my whey protein for a couple of weeks. I can't say I've noticed anything aside from my fucked up shoulders and knee being just as fucked as ever.

[PB]

Aren't you supposed to inject it into your lips???

[alias#?]

I tried it for like six months and didn't notice shit.

[rod9301]

I think i noticed that my nails did not break as easy

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[garyfromterrace]

Aren't you supposed to inject it into your lips???

Haha, yeah there's that I suppose. Thank you.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Collagen supplements pass through and come out in your stool.


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[garyfromterrace]

Collagen supplements pass through and come out in your stool.


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Nothing stays in ya? So complete bullshit?

[XXX-er]

Collegen for what ?

I been doing botox injections cuz it helps with excessive tearing of my eyes, which means I gotta drive 2 hr west to the ophthalmologist in rip bum

[MagnificentUnicorn]

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No it’s fine, but you probably get enough eating collagen rich food, which is probably cheaper and tastes good.

Can’t hurt but seems like a waste of money, like most supplements.


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[muted reborn]

I been doing botox injections cuz it helps with excessive tearing of my eyes

why no aquaseal to stop the watering?! but i'm sure you look fabulous with botox tho, post pics.

[chicken feathers]

Gary, what are you trying to use the collagen for? I'm skeptical of such things, but I think there are instances where they may be appropriate.

I've been taking collagen peptide powder daily for a couple of months now following diagnosis of an autoimmune disorder (Axial spondyloarthritis). I see my integrative medicine doc this week so I'll follow up with them regarding the collagen.

I've noticed improvement to my condition, but I've made a lot of changes in the last few months including going through the auto immune protocol diet, eating even more veggies, fermented foods, changing my mindset towards food and generally cleaning up my diet more (was already better than most in the states), starting a low dose of methotrexate, taking turmeric, ginger, and fish oil supplements...I can't attribute my improvement to collagen alone, although my wife did say my hair looked nice the other day.

I bought this book called The T.I.G.E.R. Protocol that discusses how to address autoimmune disorders and gut health with ayurvedic medicine, and diet as medicine. I've also taken a stool test that showed I have stuff out of whack in my gut linked to inflammatory arthritis, my follow up this week is to go over the results of that test. According to this book and my doc I can possibly get my auto immune disorder into remission and get off the methotrexate.

Apologies for the ramblings.

[Bunion 2020]

I think i noticed that my nails did not break as easy

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Same

[garyfromterrace]

Thanks a bunch for the responses. Al & mr feathers. I'm thinking about trying powdered collagen for improved joint health. As mentioned previously my old masseuse (who was a pretty level headed guy was a firm proponent. Suggested your body could absorb it through ingestion (he would make stock from chicken feet). More recently (a couple of nights ago) gym guy was also raving about how his bad knees and joints feel great since he started mixing collagen powder into his blender drinks. So it got me thinking...

[m2711c]

if you believe it, it’ll probably work. Remember, non-placebo’s work just fine at least 30% of the time.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsl...placebo-effect

https://www.vox.com/science-and-heal...fect-explained


here, try it out…




feel better now? of course you do!



facts.

[californiagrown]

Thanks a bunch for the responses. Al & mr feathers. I'm thinking about trying powdered collagen for improved joint health. As mentioned previously my old masseuse (who was a pretty level headed guy was a firm proponent. Suggested your body could absorb it through ingestion (he would make stock from chicken feet). More recently (a couple of nights ago) gym guy was also raving about how his bad knees and joints feel great since he started mixing collagen powder into his blender drinks. So it got me thinking...

The collagen powder you will get is straight up just unflavored jello. And you are likely getting plenty from your diet if you are eating a decently diverse diet of meats and proteins. That said, some people swear by it for its effects on their skin/hair/nails... youll want to take +20g daily for at least a few months to notice any differences. An easy habit to get into is just buying bonebroth from costco and using it instead of water for cooking (rice, quinoa, soups, steaming veggies, anytime you can use stock, etc)


There are some studies out there that show it could help rebuild or at least improve the health of your articular cartilage, thus improving joint health. But, the general scientific consensus is that there is not enough evidence showing this, and you likely will not receive much if any benefit. That said, i had a fairly involved shoulder surgery back in October and 10g in the morning, 10g in the evening of collagen peptides has been an everyday thing for me since just incase there is any benefit to help the healing and remodeling of the structures in my shoulder. do i see any benefit? Fuck if i know how quickly id be recovering without it.


Collagen is just jello, and as with any supplement that is just essentially a food (eg protein powder) there is really no harm in trying it out if you can afford the extra ~$40/month. I 100% would suggest you give 20g/day a try for 3 months (minimum) to see if you feel any difference, or see any difference.

[Dantheman]

Collagen supplements pass through and come out in your stool.

This is nonsensical. It's highly digestible protein, probably less than 1% makes it through the small intestine.

No it’s fine, but you probably get enough eating collagen rich food, which is probably cheaper and tastes good.

Can’t hurt but seems like a waste of money, like most supplements.

Probably don't get enough through diet:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20093739/
"Here, we test this prediction by comparing all reported fluxes for the production and consumption of glycine in a human adult. Detailed assessment of all possible sources of glycine shows that synthesis from serine accounts for more than 85% of the total, and that the amount of glycine available from synthesis, about 3 g/day, together with that available from the diet, in the range 1.5-3.0 g/day, may fall significantly short of the amount needed for all metabolic uses, including collagen synthesis by about 10 g per day for a 70 kg human. This result supports earlier suggestions in the literature that glycine is a semi-essential amino acid and that it should be taken as a nutritional supplement to guarantee a healthy metabolism."

That's for glycine and not collagen, but glycine comprises a full third of the amino acids in collagen so it's a reasonable proxy. Most food sources are relatively low in glycine and nothing but tough meat and bones contains meaningful amounts of collagen.

Supplements that aren't overpriced run about $0.30/10 grams. Equivalent amounts through food are going to run you 10x that and be a lot less convenient.

The collagen powder you will get is straight up just unflavored jello.

Not so for hydrolyzed peptides, which is what most studies use. If nothing else, hydrolyzed peptides are more convenient since they dissolve in cold liquids and don't gel.

An easy habit to get into is just buying bonebroth from costco and using it instead of water for cooking (rice, quinoa, soups, steaming veggies, anytime you can use stock, etc)

This is going to be far more expensive and less convenient than powdered collagen peptides.

There are some studies out there that show it could help rebuild or at least improve the health of your articular cartilage, thus improving joint health. But, the general scientific consensus is that there is not enough evidence showing this, and you likely will not receive much if any benefit.

The screenshots below are Consensus' summary of the topic. I limited the query to placebo controlled RCTs in humans. The mechanisms are still being elucidated (though are likely related to the di- and tripeptides that collagen breaks down into and enter the bloodstream intact, which has been confirmed through radiolabeling studies, acting as signaling molecules similar to how leucine is the signaling molecule for muscle protein synthesis, or maybe just glycine alone) but the outcome data is pretty strong.

[XXX-er]

why no aquaseal to stop the watering?! but i'm sure you look fabulous with botox tho, post pics.

Are you meaning do i look good OR do I look good ?

[garyfromterrace]

This is nonsensical. It's highly digestible protein, probably less than 1% makes it through the small intestine.



Probably don't get enough through diet:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20093739/
"Here, we test this prediction by comparing all reported fluxes for the production and consumption of glycine in a human adult. Detailed assessment of all possible sources of glycine shows that synthesis from serine accounts for more than 85% of the total, and that the amount of glycine available from synthesis, about 3 g/day, together with that available from the diet, in the range 1.5-3.0 g/day, may fall significantly short of the amount needed for all metabolic uses, including collagen synthesis by about 10 g per day for a 70 kg human. This result supports earlier suggestions in the literature that glycine is a semi-essential amino acid and that it should be taken as a nutritional supplement to guarantee a healthy metabolism."

That's for glycine and not collagen, but glycine comprises a full third of the amino acids in collagen so it's a reasonable proxy. Most food sources are relatively low in glycine and nothing but tough meat and bones contains meaningful amounts of collagen.

Supplements that aren't overpriced run about $0.30/10 grams. Equivalent amounts through food are going to run you 10x that and be a lot less convenient.



Not so for hydrolyzed peptides, which is what most studies use. If nothing else, hydrolyzed peptides are more convenient since they dissolve in cold liquids and don't gel.



This is going to be far more expensive and less convenient than powdered collagen peptides.



The screenshots below are Consensus' summary of the topic. I limited the query to placebo controlled RCTs in humans. The mechanisms are still being elucidated (though are likely related to the di- and tripeptides that collagen breaks down into and enter the bloodstream intact, which has been confirmed through radiolabeling studies, acting as signaling molecules similar to how leucine is the signaling molecule for muscle protein synthesis, or maybe just glycine alone) but the outcome data is pretty strong.

Dan, you're the man. Thanks so much for being my volunteer researcher. I believe I'm going to try this. I do make my own bone broth lots of it, but I don't drink it or make soup with it that often. Being an older dude with osteoarthritis and other shit going on in my knees. Also think being on this regimen can only help when knee replacement time (s) come.

[Dantheman]

No problem. This is the brand I'd recommend: https://www.amazon.com/Bulksupplemen...1zcF9hdGY&th=1

The other things to focus on for joint health are Vit C intake (I'd recommend getting this via fruit/veggies rather than supplements), sleep, and weight-bearing exercise. Nothing wrecks your cartilage more than inactivity and sleep deprivation.