Atk raiders inbounds

[mitch_cumstein]

First time posting in about 10 years or at least it seems that long…

Wanted to see if anyone here has actually preferred riding their tech binding/light at setup in the resort as much as I have?

Ive got a 178 camox with a atk raider 13 with a freeride spacer and tecnica peak boot. Its a pretty light setup I intially picked up for fitness laps and occasional forays into the steeper terrain in nh, but im finding myself reaching for it on resort days too.

Im finding the lightness of the gear and minimal suspension in the binding give really good snow feel. The skis are so quick and easy to throw around. Its more finesse skiing, lots of turns and playing on the edges. I can still ski fast and arc some big turns with confidence. Definitely a compromise when snow gets deeper and more 3d. The peak boot just doesnt offer the support i want for skiing fast through crud, etc. but for lazy resort laps this setup is hard to pass up for my stiffer, heavier setup.

My go to alpine setup is a roxa r3 130 with a shift on an elan ripstick 96 black. Still an easy ski for me. Like this setup, but definitely not as lively and playful as the at gear. The ‘snow feel’ isnt quite there. Theres a deadened sensation.. i could go on but i have a feeling im going to catch all kinds of shit for this post already ha!

Anyway, wondering if anyone else has had the same experience with the raider/freeraider setup (I suspect alot of what Im enjoying is coming from the binding). I understand din release values, etc..

Also now thinking about picking up the tecnica zero g tour pro boot for a little more support, but maintaining the lightweight feel. Pairing that with a freeraider 13 or 15. Not sure if Id go a little bigger with the ski for 50/50 resort days or go a little lighter for longer tours and bigger bc lines.

Curious to hear if anyones had similar experience with the freeraider/atk setup inbounds..

[riff]

Honestly, yes. I have an older pair of heavy skis and they were more fun with MTNs vs Shifts. Maybe this is a shift problem.
I’m happy these days on tech bindings everywhere, only caveat being release characteristics, which i haven’t been bitten by yet. There’s more to say but I’m going to bed….


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[turnfarmer]

Not a fan of telling others what’s right or wrong, do whatever you want. But I am fan of knowing the real risks-
https://skimo.co/tech-binding-release-testing
I have heard rumor but not seen data, that the incidence if tib fib fractures has gone up since the rise of people skiing pin bindings in bounds. And supposedly these are ugly fractures with lots of fragments and tibial plateau involvement.

[toast2266]

Light gear with minimal suspension is exactly why I hate it.

This is the equivalent of the guy who rides a fully rigid mountain bike. It's less comfortable and substantially slower.

But to each their own. You do you.

[mitch_cumstein]

All feedback I’d expect.

I think the phenomenon im experiencing may be specifically related to the atk freeraider-spacer-peak boot combo.

I think the atk has some suspension and release values. I understand the release values are not alpine iso-din equvalent.

Mostly just curious if theres anyone else out there enjoying the light gear inbounds.

The mtb analogy is valid, but I would liken skiing on the atk seteup more to riding a superlight carbon xc bike. Light, playful, go long distances. Whereas your average trail/enduro rig is heavier, powers through rough terrain, but can feel ‘flat’ or ‘deadening’ with a lot of suspension.

Sometimes i guess its nice to really feel the trail.

[jacob_dbu]

Well I would also say the R3 Roxa probably does not give great feedback as an ultra stiff 3-piece out of Grilamid...have you considered trying an inbounds boot with a softer flex? Elan's are pretty snappy but probably not the most suspension.

[Beder]

I had a FR setup (Voyager 12 actually) on a QST 98 for a springtime side country setup. Skied it a few days in the resort and enjoyed how it skied. Had one fall where it released just as it should have. I no longer ski it in the resort though. I always thought that it breaking was inevitable and I have plenty of inbounds skis.
I'm 188 lbs and am in a Cochise boot.

[ey_allen]

I generally like being on lighter gear these days - my knees aren't ever 100% healthy and just having less weight hanging from my legs on the chairlift is nice. For full send I still prefer my Alpine setup, but for cruising with kids, night skiing, or powder laps I'm happy on my touring gear.

[Skip Dooley]

I have ridden pins inbounds quite a bit. The problem for me is the boots. While they’re comfy, they take a real beating in bounds. I’ve sloppified a couple pairs of touring boots in the last few years, and I think the resort skiing is largely to blame.


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[waxoff]

Light gear with minimal suspension is exactly why I hate it.

This is the equivalent of the guy who rides a fully rigid mountain bike. It's less comfortable and substantially slower.

But to each their own. You do you.

^^^ Pay attention

This guy has the answer

You might not agree, but then you're wrong. Have another espresso and keep putsing about on the hill

[jdadour]

Light gear with minimal suspension is exactly why I hate it.

This is the equivalent of the guy who rides a fully rigid mountain bike. It's less comfortable and substantially slower.

But to each their own. You do you.

Toast has spoken.

[El Chupacabra]

Pin bindings inbounds are probably OK if you don't weigh much and ski that setup only on pow days.

Otherwise, I agree with what's already been said about potential release issues (injuries) and wearing out lightweight gear quickly.

[mitch_cumstein]

How many of you posting have skied the freeraider with the spacer?

[plugboots]

Toast is right, and that’s prolly one of the better analogies I’ve seen lately. I love my hardtail single speed, and sometimes it’s pretty cool to use my 1kg boots etc. inbounds. BFD
Oh, I use the spacer.

[mitch_cumstein]

I disagree with all of you jongs.

[tgapp]

found a video of OP skiing

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DDLuv...5iYW5qbHBlbjZz

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[riff]

I will admit to owning and riding a rigid steel [emoji[emoji6][emoji6]]’er. And maybe i need to get out more on the heavy ski stuff to stay in tune with it….



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[mitch_cumstein]

Dann. Brutal crowd.

[plugboots]

Woah. Chill. You still mad you were caught night putting with the Dean’s Daughter?

[::: :::]

Pretty sure one of the hood regulars got a spiral tib on pins on the hill back a few years

[SnowMachine]

I will admit to owning and riding a rigid steel [emoji[emoji6][emoji6]]’er. And maybe i need to get out more on the heavy ski stuff to stay in tune with it….



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As a former rigid riding cross country racer, I can fully confirm that my 50lb E-Bike is vastly more fun to smash downhill on.

My touring ski is a 191 Renegade with Duke PT16's for reference.

[Cocximus]

Excuse my jongness, I don’t even have a dentist’s license. Wouldn’t a simple tib/fib fracture heal better than a ligament injury? According to that study, tech bindings are safer for ligaments. Sure, a freak spiral fracture or tibial plateau fracture is more severe.

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[Andyski]

I’ll do a few laps on my freeraider setups on the lifts to dial in boot/liner mods and in smooth conditions (groomers, pow, really light crud) they’re fun as shit. And that’s coming from heavy metal skis/pivots/lange rx[emoji[emoji6][emoji6]]s. I don’t do it much to save the gear and not risk my old ass legs.

[pfluffenmeister]

Yo Mitch!
Welcome back.

Don't let these jongs bring you down.
If you like it, you like it.

[XavierD]

It’s a free country and if it works it works but not for me. There are also people riding steeper and rougher trails with their hard tails than I ride on my long travel full suspension bike.

Yes, multiple skis with the moment version of ATKs. Doesn’t ski near as well. If you like the light weight of tech bindings/skis there are still better bindings for skiing. Tectons and Kingpins both ski much better at sub alpine binding weight. Shit, marker alpinists ski better than ATK raiders IMO, but just don’t have the ease of use for the uphill.