Is the US going to Annex Canada? by force? or just destroy the Canadian Econ for fun

[dunfree]

It’d be interesting to see by province.

[BCMtnHound]

It’d be interesting to see by province.

Quebec would never allow it. Also why milk and cheese is such a big contention

Ontario and D.Ford is concerned too I think. Auto industry contractions and immigration there.

AB and Sask is oil and potash. Prices are down the past few years, and likely to go a bit lower. Pipeline that JT bought might offset that a bit. Not that it will buy him votes.

BC has always been Bring Cash.

Maritimes have been importing AB and Sask dollars for decades now. See above.

[garyfromterrace]

^^^you forgot to mention that it also spends about 1/3 (as % GDP) of what the US & UK spends on defense, and about half the rate of France & Germany.

Don't you be bringing that up man... we're going to be good by 2030-something. Promise!

[HotSchmoo]

Canucks should annex Washington, N Idaho, maybe NW Montucky too. Then i could just move to BC.
While they're at it, Northern Michigan Minnesota Wisconsin Upstate NY Vermont NHampshire Maine just for funsies.

[DougW]

Wow. That's pretty scathing for the left leaning national publication. I can only imagine what the Post says.

I think the G&M is pretty much the centre and maybe a hair right of centre in a Canadian context. That was a Coyne piece where he was not pleased with PP.

[liv2ski]

We have plenty of issues to deal with but I will always push back on the narrative that 'everything is broken'. The disdain the conservative leader has for this country is both sickening and alarming.

Amen brother. I guess up North and in Murica. The Right Wing has lost their minds in the last 20 years thanks to poisonous media.

[DougW]

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AB and Sask is oil and potash. Prices are down the past few years, and likely to go a bit lower. Pipeline that JT bought might offset that a bit. Not that it will buy him votes.
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Think oil prices are fine well above breakeven its just that no oil company is using cash to increase production other than buying up international companies oil sands assets when they leave. Its pretty much a Canadian owned industry other then Exxon. Just looked at WCS prices and way up from 2015-2020 levels. Also there in USD so there is a big uptick there.

Its certainly to JT's credit that trans mtn was built as its doing very well and Liz May was completely wrong on that was no market for that heavy oil. As you point out he will get no credit for in BC or AB.

[DougW]

Interesting stuff from EIA on the impact of transmountain expansion. Even when we try to get other than American customers for Canadian oil other Americans buy up 1/2 of it


U.S. imports of crude oil from Canada reached a record of 4.3 million barrels per day (b/d) in July 2024 following the expansion of Canada’s Trans Mountain pipeline. July is the most recent month for which data are available in our Petroleum Supply Monthly (PSM).

The Trans Mountain Expansion (TMX) tripled the line’s previous 300,000-b/d capacity when it began commercial operation in May 2024, bringing additional crude oil produced in the landlocked province of Alberta to Canada’s west coast, where it can be exported. Historically, most crude oil exports out of Alberta have made their way either to refiners in the U.S. Midwest via pipeline or to the U.S. Gulf Coast by rail shipments, where they are either consumed by refiners or loaded onto tankers for seaborne re-exports. TMX was added alongside the previous Trans Mountain pipeline to move larger volumes of crude oil to the coast of British Columbia to then be exported directly to Pacific Ocean buyers.

Since TMX came online in May, early data indicate that refiners on the U.S. West Coast have been key buyers of the new export volumes. Between June and September, the U.S. West Coast accounted for just over half of all maritime crude oil exports out of Western Canada, with the rest going to destinations in Asia, according to data from Vortexa Analytics. The U.S. West Coast imported 498,000 b/d of crude oil in July 2024, according to our PSM, a record high for the region and an increase of 115% compared with July 2023.


The Western Canadian Select (WCS) crude oil spot price at Hardisty is used as a benchmark price to reflect regional crude oil production in Alberta. Historically, WCS spot prices are significantly discounted to other benchmarks because of WCS’s quality and the region’s landlocked geography, which limit its market. Unlike Brent (the global crude oil benchmark grade), WCS has a higher sulfur content and a lower API gravity, and additional costs are necessary to move WCS from its inland pricing location to a coastal seaborne export location.


Note: Price premiums are calculated using the Dated Brent price minus the WCS spot market price at Hardisty.
Since TMX came online in May, added takeaway capacity has had a mixed impact on WCS prices. In July 2024, the monthly average Brent price premium to WCS was $21 per barrel (b), $5/b higher than it was at the same time last year despite the additional capacity provided by TMX. The August price differential was between the five-year (2019–23) average and last year’s level. The September average price differential, however, was slightly below the five-year average level. As of October 29, the Brent price premium to WCS for October is narrower by $10/b compared with October 2023.

The WCS price differential to Brent and other benchmarks often widens in the fall, when Midwestern refiners reduce runs to undergo maintenance, limiting the pool of buyers from Alberta’s primary customers. If the price differentials remain near current levels through the end of the year, it may suggest that the added TMX capacity has helped to insulate Canada’s crude oil producers from the operational decisions of refiners in the U.S. Midwest.

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=63564

[MultiVerse]

This thread is as good as any to mention Canada rid itself of its penny back in 2013. The penny is mathematical nonsense. Trump would deserve a Nobel Prize in economics for ridding America of the penny's scourge the way Canada did more than a decade ago

[LeeLau]

It’d be interesting to see by province.

The economic picture is quite different province by province and even region by region. That should come as no surprise.

The economic numbers Thaliea cite are likely on a national aggregated level (I don't know the source so can't verify) but don't dig down to local effects.

As for the right wing vs left wing narratives in Canada, IMO we don't have these to the degree as in the US. Except perhaps among social media or TGR.

[XXX-er]

The economic picture is quite different province by province and even region by region. That should come as no surprise.

The economic numbers Thaliea cite are likely on a national aggregated level (I don't know the source so can't verify) but don't dig down to local effects.

As for the right wing vs left wing narratives in Canada, IMO we don't have these to the degree as in the US. Except perhaps among social media or TGR.

Vangroovy/ Whistler is full of Avocadotoast-eaters but when you are beyond Hope ( Hope BC that is ) there are bible belts which you don't really see down there

the NDP just barely pulled off the win in some places by literally a few votes so we almost had a Conservative provincial gov becuz they were highly organized and btw the cons wanted to retroactively thro Bonnie Henry & Teresa Tam in jail ( epidemiologist/ health officers for our American cousins) for making them all get the Vax

Some of the locals went to ottawa, we had a mini convoy here in town with the honkinghorns on big trucks , we had to take an alternate route to the ski hill

I have no Doubt the Cons wil win the next federal election

[LeeLau]

Vangroovy/ Whistler is full of Avocadotoast-eaters but when you are beyond Hope ( Hope BC that is ) there are bible belts which you don't really see down there

the NDP just barely pulled off the win in some places by literally a few votes so we almost had a Conservative provincial gov becuz they were highly organized and btw the cons wanted to retroactively thro Bonnie Henry & Teresa Tam in jail ( epidemiologist/ health officers for our American cousins) for making them all get the Vax

Some of the locals went to ottawa, we had a mini convoy here in town with the honkinghorns on big trucks , we had to take an alternate route to the ski hill

I have no Doubt the Cons wil win the next federal election

At least down South the Cons ( successfully) gained ground on NDP policies they portrayed as being to weighted in favour of addicts, mentally unwell and not supportive enough of public safety. This rang true with voters in big cities in the Coast, and medium small centres in the Island, the Interior, the Kootenays.

There was almost nothing about Covid Era policies. At least in southern BC, voters have moved on. It's a fringe issue.

Inflation, cost of living, the economy are the main issues in BC politics. IMO they will be also in Canada federal politics

[XXX-er]

Rural vs non, I believe there was 1 non conservative on Haida Gwai who managed to get themselves elected ?

[rideit]

I think we can assume that Trump spends a good twenty minutes ever day lookin at $100 bill designs with his face on them.

[liv2ski]

O fuck, guess I am getting $50s for now on...

[neufox47]

How about Canada annexes Washington, Oregon and California and Maine to Maryland.


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[TahoeJ]

How about Canada annexes Washington, Oregon and California and Maine to Maryland.


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Because California is way larger financially than Canada - it would be the other way around.

[liv2ski]

Because California is way larger financially than Canada - it would be the other way around.

Still a GREAT idea!

[Kevo]

Canada GDP per capita is falling significantly.
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The only thing pumping up Canada’s GDP numbers is the insane amounts of immigration. On a per capita basis it is falling hard.

Canada's population grew by more than 2 million people from 38 million to 40 million people over a 3 year period from 2020 to 2023, a more than 5% increase over 3 years. That doesn't account for nonpermanent residents, of which Canada added another 1 million residents during that time.









Meanwhile, Canada's GDP per capita is stalled. It has not increased since 2016 and is currently trending downward.

Unemployment is steadily rising-



Why is Canada adding millions upon millions of mostly unskilled immigrants into a country with a housing crisis, rising unemployment and a healthcare system that is buckling?

I believe Canada's immigration policies to be extremely unfair to Canadian citizens. I also believe Canadian citizens to be far too polite to ever risk publicly speaking out against Canada's immigration policies, even if it means putting up with serious declines in the standard of living for the average Canadian.

[Harry]

I think we can assume that Trump spends a good twenty minutes ever day lookin at $100 bill designs with his face on them.

And you know that he will change the color from green to gold.

[Hopeless Sinner]

NYT- "President-elect Donald J. Trump mocked Canada’s prime minister in a post late Monday that described him as “Governor Justin Trudeau of the Great State of Canada.”"

[Mofro261]

Canada's population grew by more than 2 million people from 38 million to 40 million people over a 3 year period from 2020 to 2023, a more than 5% increase over 3 years. That doesn't account for nonpermanent residents, of which Canada added another 1 million residents during that time.









Meanwhile, Canada's GDP per capita is stalled. It has not increased since 2016 and is currently trending downward.

Unemployment is steadily rising-



Why is Canada adding millions upon millions of mostly unskilled immigrants into a country with a housing crisis, rising unemployment and a healthcare system that is buckling?

I believe Canada's immigration policies to be extremely unfair to Canadian citizens. I also believe Canadian citizens to be far too polite to ever risk publicly speaking out against Canada's immigration policies, even if it means putting up with serious declines in the standard of living for the average Canadian.

Why? Just check out the Birth rate in Canada, it's all the way down to 1.0 which is among the very lowest in the world. You guys don't want to have kids anymore, so the only way to grow or even maintain is through immigration.

[TahoeJ]

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Jesus… what a fucking retard. It really is incredible.

[evdog]

NYT- "President-elect Donald J. Trump mocked Canada’s prime minister in a post late Monday that described him as “Governor Justin Trudeau of the Great State of Canada.”"

There was an article I saw yesterday where he also suggested Mexico could become a US state.

[Darren Jakal]

As someone born and who still lives in Alberta I don’t bother listening to:

1) the Kool Aid drinkers that expect you to share their beliefs (Alberta is ground zero for people voting against their own interests),

2) opinions on the state of Canada (from anyone really, good for bad) or

3) anyone using Canada as an example of what or what not to do.

I’d be wasting my time.