Is the US going to Annex Canada? by force? or just destroy the Canadian Econ for fun

[Ted Striker]

Ontario produced a slick tv commercial to air during American football games.

[MultiVerse]

FWIW, Canada has more to worry about from Russian and Chinese incursions on its sovereignty in the arctic than any of Trump's blowhard bluster

[irul&ublo]

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[Kevo]

Serious question- are there any Trudeau loyalists left in Canada?

The century initiative stuff is wild. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_Initiative

I learned about it from some very liberal Vancouverites on a BC hut trip a couple years ago who were disenfranchised with the party because of not being able to afford to buy a house with two MD salaries.

I used to really look up to Canada. It was a beacon of hope of what the US could be if we could just get our shit together, but in recent years Canada has been horribly mismanaged. Cost of living is insane. Wages are low. It's really sad to see what it is becoming. Canada is either going to be entirely run into the ground or the "politeness as a virtue" is going to have to go away.

I'm not saying the US is better in any way, it is just such a bummer to see Canada fall so hard.

[ex-powderbroker]

Serious question- are there any Trudeau loyalists left in Canada?

The century initiative stuff is wild. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_Initiative

I learned about it from some very liberal Vancouverites on a BC hut trip a couple years ago who were disenfranchised with the party because of not being able to afford to buy a house with two MD salaries.

I used to really look up to Canada. It was a beacon of hope of what the US could be if we could just get our shit together, but in recent years Canada has been horribly mismanaged. Cost of living is insane. Wages are low. It's really sad to see what it is becoming. Canada is either going to be entirely run into the ground or the "politeness as a virtue" is going to have to go away.

I'm not saying the US is better in any way, it is just such a bummer to see Canada fall so hard.

the trudeau govt left the tap on way too long for immigration, a bad recipe for a global fever against incumbent parties, the cost of living and associated problems.

the country’s population is up like 25% in the last fifteen years? anyway, safe to say that at the very least the pendulum has swung the other way and there’s a big Not Welcome sign up front. 100M is not happening in my lifetime if i go to 150.

[XXX-er]

Serious question- are there any Trudeau loyalists left in Canada?

The century initiative stuff is wild. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_Initiative

I learned about it from some very liberal Vancouverites on a BC hut trip a couple years ago who were disenfranchised with the party because of not being able to afford to buy a house with two MD salaries.

I used to really look up to Canada. It was a beacon of hope of what the US could be if we could just get our shit together, but in recent years Canada has been horribly mismanaged. Cost of living is insane. Wages are low. It's really sad to see what it is becoming. Canada is either going to be entirely run into the ground or the "politeness as a virtue" is going to have to go away.

I'm not saying the US is better in any way, it is just such a bummer to see Canada fall so hard.

not really I mean JT is a bit of a dumb ass, way down in the polls and he has been in a long time, Polievere hasnt really got any ideas and his caucus are amercian style whacko nut jobs so he just thinks its his turn. and so in the mean time he is impatient

Its a Liberal minority gov so the NDP has been holding JT's feet to the fire to get stuff for Canadians like instead of dragging feet the Libs had to give everyone a Federalngovernment dental and also adrug plan in very short time or the government was going down, I'm fairly certain think the average Canadian is too stupid to realize this was good so everyone wants to fuck Trudeau and there are fuck Trudeau stickers everywhere

The RE in Vangroovy has been stupid high for a long time, I left > 25 yrs ago and i suggested to anyone who would listen it was in their best interest TO leave. I think housing has been insane almost every where in the world, shit has changed covid did not help I duno what the liberals could have done, and now populist governments are all the rage so we will very likely have a conservative government next time round

I have never seen that century stuff and I very much doubt it

[TahoeJ]

It’s been a bad stretch for incumbents pretty much everywhere regardless of political leaning. Doesn’t bode well for JT.

For all of the various Trump v Kamala topics, I think most of it came down to that.

[XXX-er]

BC has been pretty liberal but this last provincial election the NDP almost lost it, there were recounts in a bunch of ridings they have squeaked thru by I think one elected candidate and in some ridings they only won by literally a few votes so the whacko nut job right wing rural anti covid vax people almost pulled off an upset and so i would bet JT will be out

2billion $ a day back and forth of the 49th is a big number, I think if Trump trys to fuck up Canada he will fuck up the usa at the same time

[DougW]

I have to say this Globe and mail columnist sums up a lot of centre peoples opinion of JT
"Certainly there is plenty to criticize in this government, and this Prime Minister. They have mishandled the economy, undermined public finances, ignored rising threats to national security, bollixed immigration, inflamed the housing market, and much else besides, all wrapped in a peculiarly divisive and doctrinaire form of identity politics.

Mr. Trudeau’s serial ethical lapses, combined with his tendency to preachiness, combined with his shallowness and vanity, combined with his flippant disdain for detail or the hard work of governing, have long since paled on the Canadian voter. There is a reason his government has reached such historic depths in the polls."

I'm really unsure about PP but JT has to go.

[BCMtnHound]

Any of our rivers that flow south across the border, the US owns. Timber is getting killed by tariffs, despite WTO and Old NAFTA rulings against the US - they are already higher than Trump’s promised fuckery.
AB got their pipelines to the west, might get another south with the new admin.
Fisheries on the east and west are forever fucked, for different reasons, but for this west coaster, I shed no tears harvesting Columbia R chinook when AK rapes our Fraser and Is stock.
Canadian mining companies are Canadian like shipping companies are registered in Liberia.
People with no tastebuds prefer winter strawberries from California and Mexico than in season from home. No accounting for taste I suppose. Glad I left the family farming biz, Oh wait. snap! See the forests sector quip above.
The auto industry is so integrated, no serious politician can play that game of wack-a-mole. And if the US want land, better be ready to pay handsomely to the First Nations.

The relationship is complicated, but dumbfucks really want to be gravy seals and constitutional libertarians - useless but the itch needs to be scratched. Hope we are able to keep our culture, cause it is important.

Love to share a brew and smoke with our southern cousins, but keep the tribal dysfunctional shit to yourself and I will do the same - we got bigger global problems to solve. And welcome back La Nina! Stoke should be plenty to share this winter!

[J. Barron DeJong]

It’s been a bad stretch for incumbents pretty much everywhere regardless of political leaning. Doesn’t bode well for JT.

For all of the various Trump v Kamala topics, I think most of it came down to that.

I would have put it mostly on backlash against incumbents, and still don’t dismiss it, but saw this chart today:



Hispanic vote in particular swung way toward Trump. If they had of stayed on the trend line Kamala wins. So why the disproportionate swing for Hispanic voters in particular?

https://jabberwocking.com/kamala-har...e-whole-story/

(And that’s I’ll say about that, to keep this from moving to Poliass.)

[bennymac]

BCmtn- can you explain the comments about Columbia and Fraser chinook? I am not at all questioning the validity of your statement - just am interested in hearing a bit more about AK vs Canada and these fish stocks if you got a second Thanks!

[DougW]

Maybe I should calm down and be more like Doug F

We see your joke about the 51st state, and raise you a reference to sacking the White House


‘Okay, but the last time you guys tried that, we burned down Washington.”

That was not Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s comeback after president-elect Donald Trump quipped – it was gentle ribbing! A sign of deep friendship! – that if Canada couldn’t take the tariff heat maybe it should throw in the towel and become the 51st state. In the Mar-a-Lago octagon, over meat loaf and a side of battle rap, the Canadian reply was allegedly nervous laughter.

But as someone once said, better is always possible.

If you’re going to fly into Palm Beach to do three hours of stand-up diplomacy at Donald’s Chuckle Hut, you’ve got to be prepared for hecklers. The next time Canada gets trolled, we need better material.

Mr. Trump practices politics as a form of insult comedy. His audience craves the diss track and he drops them regularly. He’s the Don Rickles of political campaigners. He’s the Statler and Waldorf of international relations.

Ever since he tagged Jeb Bush, his first political rival, as “low energy” and ran TV ads mocking him as “Jeb: for all your sleeping needs,” Mr. Trump had shown a talent for labelling opponents in ways that shortcut to their weaknesses and insecurities. Jeb really was vitality-lite. “Little Marco” Rubio really is diminutive. And Canada really is paranoid about becoming a wholly-owned subsidiary of U.S.A. Inc.

When belittled by Americans – in a totally friendly way! As a gesture of respect! – generations of Canadians have reached back into history for an event in our shared unconscious, which we then throw down with a smile. Mr. Trudeau, who once referred to Canada as a post-national state and isn’t particularly in tune with the non-apology version of our history, may not be familiar with it.

But Doug Ford sure is. Last week, I wrote that the Ontario Premier is who Team Canada ought to be sending onto Fox News to make this country’s case. And there he was this week, doing exactly that. He of course wanted to talk about the great economic relationship, the trillions of dollars in mutually-beneficial trade, and the deep bonds between long-time friends.

But asked about Mr. Trump’s 51st state quip, he knew where to go.

Inside Trudeau’s Mar-a-Lago dinner with Trump – and how it all went down

“The president has a good sense of humour, and it’s a funny comment. I guess he’s still upset that in 1812 we burned down your White House and he’s holding a grudge after 212 years.”

Mr. Ford’s got the date wrong (it’s 1814), but whatever. The Fox News host laughed, uncomfortably. No comeback.

If you’re a Canadian in the U.S. working through your prepared set of greatest hits – shared values, common institutions, brothers in arms from Normandy to Kandahar – and an American starts heckling, the War of 1812 is a good place to go. It really throws them.

I did two university degrees in the States, and sometimes when I got needled – it was totally amicable! We were just funning! – about Canada being America’s little Marco, out came the line.

In 2018, I spoke to a group of Canadian and American university students who had done an exchange in the other country. I asked how many of the Canucks, hit with a jocular American diss, had ever brought up the War of 1812. To my surprise, most had.

Talking about how “we” captured and sacked Washington (strictly speaking the Brits did it, but at the time they were an “us” rather than a “them,” so by the transitive property of history, we did it) usually restores conversational equilibrium. But if your American interlocutors google what you’re talking about, and want to keep going, you may need more material.

“You invaded twice and lost twice. Want to go best out of three?”

“I feel like you’re still kind of obsessed with us. I mean, your national anthem is still all about that time we almost burned down Baltimore.”

“Though have you ever been to Baltimore? Looks like you beat us to it.”

“Fifty-first state? Not likely. Your first constitution begged us to join the U.S., anytime, no questions asked. You still waiting for a call back?”

“Fifty-first state? More like the reverse. The last time you guys sent a flood of refugees across the border, we had to create two new provinces.”

“A 25 per cent tariff? Okay, but good luck explaining to Joe Maga Lunchbucket that his factory is shutting down because you cut off his best customer.”

“A 25 per cent tariff? Okay, but the less you buy from us, the less we can afford to buy from you. The math isn’t hard – even for graduates of the U.S. school system.”

When’s the next show?

[petey_]

I shit myself. Not a good idea to annex us. It might get messy eh.

FAFO?

[BCMtnHound]

BCmtn- can you explain the comments about Columbia and Fraser chinook? I am not at all questioning the validity of your statement - just am interested in hearing a bit more about AK vs Canada and these fish stocks if you got a second Thanks!

It’s a timing of harvest, and differences in annual tonnage of allowable catch. Southern chinook migrate south before the northern runs. Rationale for Canada restrictions include feed stock for southern orca pods as well, so we are effectively protecting the Columbia runs for most of the early and mid summer. Meanwhile, the Alaska fisheries are going full force while the Fraser and Van Is runs are still around Alaska waters. Recreational fishery here has been hit hard, which forms a big part of my family’s yearly protein harvest. That nautical mile line from shore that dictates what chinook we can keep off the west coast of the upper Van Is can get a little blurry at times
It’s a similar story for the halibut fishery. Amazing how far they migrate, and how different populations move to their preferred spawning grounds at differing times of the season.

[Thaleia]

For the "How can Canada fail so hard" crowd, we currently enjoy:

Lowest debt/GDP ratio in G7

Lowest deficit in G7

Strongest projected GDP growth in G7

#1 for budget balance by the IMF

141% post pandemic job recovery

AAA credit rating

And is also the most googled country for those looking to relocate.

Sorry

[TBS]

^^^you forgot to mention that it also spends about 1/3 (as % GDP) of what the US & UK spends on defense, and about half the rate of France & Germany.

[XXX-er]

Cohen also said that he's mentioned to the Canadians worried about the fate of the new-NAFTA, that "at the end of the day," the deal in place is one Trump negotiated, and it's an agreement that "works really well."

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/if-i...deal-1.7137255

[bennymac]

It’s a timing of harvest, and differences in annual tonnage of allowable catch. Southern chinook migrate south before the northern runs. Rationale for Canada restrictions include feed stock for southern orca pods as well, so we are effectively protecting the Columbia runs for most of the early and mid summer. Meanwhile, the Alaska fisheries are going full force while the Fraser and Van Is runs are still around Alaska waters. Recreational fishery here has been hit hard, which forms a big part of my family’s yearly protein harvest. That nautical mile line from shore that dictates what chinook we can keep off the west coast of the upper Van Is can get a little blurry at times
It’s a similar story for the halibut fishery. Amazing how far they migrate, and how different populations move to their preferred spawning grounds at differing times of the season.

Thanks - interesting stuff.

That nautical mile is from the lowest tide line ever yeah? That should buy you a bit more room

I think something similar happens to the spawning salmon in the Yukon River - not many make it through AK to cross the border.

[Ted Striker]

...Globe and mail columnist...

Wow. That's pretty scathing for the left leaning national publication. I can only imagine what the Post says.

[liv2ski]

For the "How can Canada fail so hard" crowd, we currently enjoy:

Lowest debt/GDP ratio in G7

Lowest deficit in G7

Strongest projected GDP growth in G7

#1 for budget balance by the IMF

141% post pandemic job recovery

AAA credit rating

And is also the most googled country for those looking to relocate.

Sorry

Thanks for that bright spot as that made me really happy to hear. Come on fucking Lotto let's do this

[Thaleia]

We have plenty of issues to deal with but I will always push back on the narrative that 'everything is broken'. The disdain the conservative leader has for this country is both sickening and alarming.

[XXX-er]

true that ^^ Harper had every intension to make Canada into the 51st state

fortunately Trudeau said no there is a better way

PP breathe is a dick head

maybe its Singh's turn but I cant see Canada voting for a guy wearing at Turban ?

[Kevo]

Canada GDP per capita is falling significantly.


The only thing pumping up Canada’s GDP numbers is the insane amounts of immigration. On a per capita basis it is falling hard.

[J. Barron DeJong]

Canada GDP per capita is falling significantly.


The only thing pumping up Canada’s GDP numbers is the insane amounts of immigration. On a per capita basis it is falling hard.

I’d be interested to know what that looks like if recent immigrants were broken out as a separate group. i.e. is the average being pulled down because recent immigrants earn less, or are native born Canadians themselves falling behind the US.