United Healthcare CEO shot to death in front of NYC investor meeting

[ötzi]

Is there a shortage of medical schools in the US?

[Duffman]

Is there a shortage of medical schools in the US?

That’s debatable I suppose. But residency spots are essential and cheap labor for hospitals , and are govt funded ,so there are incentives to have as many as possible. Many of them are in not attractive areas in less competitive specialties , so American medical grads don’t even apply for them .

[bennymac]

When a student finishes medical school and becomes a resident they need more senior residents and staff doctors to teach them.

So if there is a shortage of doctors in society you can’t just turn on the tap and say “hey let’s double the medical school spots - problem solved!”

1. That newly doubled class needs 4 years to get through school

2. That newly doubled class then needs at least 2 years of residency training - and half of those graduates will be in programs needing 5 years of residency (so your increase in class size doesn’t address the shortage for 6-9 years)

3. Those new residents need doctors to teach them - but wait this problem started with a shortage of doctors - so where are these teaching doctors gonna come from in a system short on doctors?

Increasing med school admissions can help - but it’s not a quick fix and usually has to be done in gradual increases.

[J. Barron DeJong]

That’s debatable I suppose. But residency spots are essential and cheap labor for hospitals , and are govt funded ,so there are incentives to have as many as possible. Many of them are in not attractive areas in less competitive specialties , so American medical grads don’t even apply for them .

Source?

My wife is involved in med school administration and I’ve heard stories of medical students not being placed for residency.

ETA:



https://blog.petrieflom.law.harvard....tice-lobbying/

[Duffman]

When US med school grads don't match, they are almost certainly going for a more competitive specialty and / or are very particular about location. The biggest complaints about shortages typically concern primary care, and no typical US grad would have a problem matching somewhere for an internal medicine spot unless that grad was somehow a disaster.

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[J. Barron DeJong]

When US med school grads don't match, they are almost certainly going for a more competitive specialty and / or are very particular about location. The biggest complaints about shortages typically concern primary care, and no typical US grad would have a problem matching somewhere for an internal medicine spot unless that grad was somehow a disaster.

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Match week stats for 2023:



If every residency position was filled that still leaves 2577 med school graduates without a placement, or approximately 6% of graduates.

[Conundrum]

Maybe there should be a hospital that is cheap and doesn’t require pre auths because it’s full of docs who were shitty students.

[stealurface831]

i've been saying start holding open tryouts for medical licenses. do away with this undergrad and med school gatekeeping. between youtube and chatgpt, i can learn all i need to know to do an appendectomy next monday.

[Conundrum]

[Conundrum]

Is there a shortage of medical schools in the US?

As compared to the shortage of healthy people in the US?

[Buzzworthy]

Many of them are in not attractive areas in less competitive specialties , so American medical grads don’t even apply for them .

My premed daughter thinks this is asinine. You spend your life in the hospital anyway so who gives a shit is her argument. I like where her head is at. She’s all about taking the advantage when she can.

[Name Redacted]

Havent really followed this thread so forgive if this is a repeat. But i thought this was good:

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/19K...ibextid=N9fs7i

[Trackhead]

It’s interesting and disgusting that the “C” suite wanks are so suddenly worried about being killed and the country is obsessed with this killing/killer, yet kids getting gunned down in schools seems like less of a news story.

Quote from some CEO on CNN:

“The big learning is that if you want to kill someone, you can kill them. It’s really scary but true,” said the executive, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. “It seems crazy that we’re just figuring this out.”

No bro, we’ve known this since Columbine, but now that it’s happening to your bros you suddenly get worried. Better hope it doesn’t start #trending like school shootings did.

”CEOs don’t want to live in a world where they go to their son’s baseball game and there must be security present,” said George.

Yeah, kids don’t wanna get shot in science class.

[Peruvian]

Havent really followed this thread so forgive if this is a repeat. But i thought this was good:

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/19K...ibextid=N9fs7i

3rd time's a charm.

[Peruvian]

It’s interesting and disgusting that the “C” suite wanks are so suddenly worried about being killed and the country is obsessed with this killing/killer, yet kids getting gunned down in schools seems like less of a news story.

Quote from some CEO on CNN:


No bro, we’ve known this since Columbine, but now that it’s happening to your bros you suddenly get worried. Better hope it doesn’t start #trending like school shootings did.



Yeah, kids don’t wanna get shot in science class.

Relax - science class is going away in the near future, anyway. Students will just need to learn how to cast out the demons.

[Foggy_Goggles]

That is true wank speak speak but it probably is just a hot take sound bite. But yes, it just another unintended sociology experiment. Ultimately, all the money and power in the world, can not make you not dead.

No doubt that behind closed doors, concerns about violence due to the perceptions about corporate policies and actions we have been increasing. These people ain't dumb. They know that people live and die indirectly due to their actions.

We live in a county where we have armed policy officers and poling locations and school board meetings. And ghost guns made with 3d printers. And a mental and physical health crisis. And an unbelievable amount bankcrupty and financial stress from medical bills.

Is this a fuck around and find out moment? Only one way to find out. Big picture is the ruling class/oligarchy/choose your term getting a bit greedy and risking low lover civil unrest? Better question, do they care?

And yet the pawn in the game want to pick team based on what podcasts they listen to.

Good times!

[liv2ski]

No bro, we’ve known this since Columbine, but now that it’s happening to your bros you suddenly get worried. Better hope it doesn’t start #trending like school shootings did.

O come on now. If it doesn't start trending how will stuff finally change?

[Harry]

My premed daughter thinks this is asinine. You spend your life in the hospital anyway so who gives a shit is her argument. I like where her head is at. She’s all about taking the advantage when she can.

Send her over here. She can make bank saving lives at Mayo Clinic while you hot lap Trollhaugen with a bunch of geriatric maggots. Winning! [emoji966]

[Duffman]

Match week stats for 2023:



If every residency position was filled that still leaves 2577 med school graduates without a placement, or approximately 6% of graduates.

There is a period after the match where unmatched docs fill open positions. Kind of like an undrafted free agency signing period.

Again , most unmatched are less qualified candidates going for very competitive fields or locations. They can find a spot that's not of their preference in a different specialty or location if desired. But many who really want to do a specific specialty will do a research year in the field or something similar to try again next year versus accepting a less desirable spot .



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[subtle plague]

Relax - science class is going away in the near future, anyway. Students will just need to learn how to cast out the demons.

Would you like to become news anchor for voice of America?

[Duffman]

My premed daughter thinks this is asinine. You spend your life in the hospital anyway so who gives a shit is her argument. I like where her head is at. She’s all about taking the advantage when she can.

That's smart because it gives her options. But not everyone wants to live and work in bumblefuck ,or can't because of family or other obligations.

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[J. Barron DeJong]

There is a period after the match where unmatched docs fill open positions. Kind of like an undrafted free agency signing period.

Again , most unmatched are less qualified candidates going for very competitive fields or locations. They can find a spot that's not of their preference in a different specialty or location if desired. But many who really want to do a specific specialty will do a research year in the field or something similar to try again next year versus accepting a less desirable spot .



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Yeah, I’m aware of the process. My wife works for the org that runs the match.

Doesn’t change the fact that there were more people trying to get a spot than there were spots available.

And sure, you can try again next year, but there will still be more students than spots.

[californiagrown]

Maybe there should be a hospital that is cheap and doesn’t require pre auths because it’s full of docs who were shitty students.

Like when you can get your haircut at the stylist school, or your teeth cleaned at the dental tech school?


100% behind this idea. Seems like something RFK would come up with but im still in.

[Bunion 2020]

On a slightly different note. Additional proof (as if that was needed) that every American is under surveillance 24/7/365 and there really should be no expectation of anonymity or privacy anymore.

[Trackhead]

O come on now. If it doesn't start trending how will stuff finally change?

It seems like a sentinel moment, or I hope it is.

It sucks a guy had to die to really bring it to the forefront of the consciousness of this country. I kinda doubt it though, we haven't learned anything in 20 years since Columbine. I don't think you can stop the momentum of investors demanding high returns and the constant pressure to make more and more money.