United Healthcare CEO shot to death in front of NYC investor meeting

[MultiVerse]

It’s almost like you don’t know what you’re talking about

Solid argument, as always. Zero facts. Just insults. Many such examples, unfortunately

No wonder you gave a big thumbs up to the murders brief manifesto that contained easily checked mistakes about the list of top companies. Once you fall in love with the murder game it’s easy to lose sight of reality

[summit]

As I suspected, the guy basically needed to get laid. Jordan Peterson + Ted Kaz + Andrew Huberman = Incel

https://nypost.com/2024/12/10/us-new...landlord-says/

That's some bad back pain, that's a bit different than the incel red/black pill types. Wonder how much drug dependence was involved. Sidenote: don't really associate Jordan Peterson with incel ideology. His message is one of traditional family: get married, have kids.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

]][emoji6][emoji6][emoji[emoji6]][emoji6]]Solid argument, as always. Zero facts. Just insults. Many such examples, unfortunately

You seemed so confident yesterday. Even slinging insults. The thing is, I know what these specialists are paid because I work with them every day. It probably stings when you’re wrong but you’d never admit to that, right?


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[MultiVerse]

Both Luigi and his mother were prescribed pain meds including oxy

You seemed so confident yesterday. Even slinging insults. The thing is, I know what these specialists are paid because I work with them every day. It probably stings when you’re wrong but you’d never admit to that, right?

What am I wrong about? One source referenced average pay, another source referenced median pay, and another top pay. Are these concepts beyond your understanding? Each source also lists pay for a different year. So it looks like the top paid specialties changed from 2017-to-2024. There's also regional variation. You might know what specialists get paid in your area, but that's not necessarily the same in other regions

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Solid argument, as always. Zero facts. Just insults. Many such examples, unfortunately

No wonder you gave a big thumbs up to the murders brief manifesto that contained easily checked mistakes about the list of top companies. Once you fall in love with the murder game it’s easy to lose sight of reality

So first, fuck off. I’m not in love with the murder game and a glib post about the manifesto isn’t a rave review. Even when you’re claiming the high road you can’t help yourself with insults of your own.


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[MagnificentUnicorn]

Both Luigi and his mother were prescribed pain meds including oxy




What am I wrong about? One source referenced average pay, another sources referenced median pay, and another top pay. Are these concepts beyond your understanding? Each source also lists pay for a different year. So it looks like the top paid specialties changed from 2017-to-2024

Anesthesiologists have never been paid more than orthopedic and neuro surgeons, those other surgical specialists in the 36 years that I’ve worked with them. So you’re wrong even though you can google and have healthcare workers in your family. It’s okay to admit it.


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[MultiVerse]

Right, I respond to insults with insults. If you want to have a polite discussion then I'll happily engage with you on that level. We'd all be better off that way

Anesthesiologists have never been paid more than orthopedic and neuro surgeons, those other surgical specialists in the 36 years that I’ve worked with them. So you’re wrong even though you can google and have healthcare workers in your family. It’s okay to admit it.

That wasn't my opinion. That was based on a US News report. The fact that you or someone else fact checked that detail doesn't bother me one bit. That's how these things are supposed to work. My question is, why do you think it's material to the discussion?

Now look at the murderers manifesto:

- He got the U.S. company market cap list wrong
- He vastly overstated the role of insurer profits in astronomical US healthcare spending
- He ignores all the other things about America having nothing to do with healthcare that lowers life expectancy
- He killed a person

Those things are material to the discussion

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Right, I respond to insults with insults. If you want to have a polite discussion then I'll happily engage with you on that level. We'd all be better off that way



That wasn't my opinion. That was based on a US News report. The fact that you or someone else fact checked that detail doesn't bother me on bit. That's how these things are supposed to work. My question is, why do think it's material to the discussion?

It’s not material to this discussion. It’s material to the fact that you regurgitate online content continuously and pose as an expert on everything.

As I said before, you’ll never admit that you’re wrong and this exchange proves that. “It’s someone else’s mistake, I was just repeating it”.

I’ll never have a polite discussion with you, even if we were to meet someday.

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[MultiVerse]

I've never claimed to be an expert and the fact that I posted updated information positively shows that I'll admit to being wrong. How is that not obvious? I.e., here's a different source and here's the BLS data. I mean, you quite literally used my updated source to argue my previous source was wrong and that's why, by your logic, I'll never admit to being wrong /lol

[ex-powderbroker]

That's some bad back pain, that's a bit different than the incel red/black pill types. Wonder how much drug dependence was involved. Sidenote: don't really associate Jordan Peterson with incel ideology. His message is one of traditional family: get married, have kids.

you might not see him that way but surely you could see how a media figure who popularizes terms like “enforced monogamy” has come to inspire characters in films as an “incel hero”


fuck jp


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[MagnificentUnicorn]

I've never claimed to be an expert and the fact that I posted updated information positively shows that I'll admit to being wrong. How is that not obvious? I.e., here's a different source and here's the BLS data. I mean, you quite literally used my updated source to argue my previous source was wrong and that's why, by your logic, I'll never admit to being wrong /lol

You could just post “Hey, I was wrong about that “ instead of what you posted above. You know, concise and to the point like Luigi.


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[summit]

you might not see him that way but surely you could see how a media figure who popularizes terms like “enforced monogamy” has come to inspire characters in films as an “incel hero”


fuck jp


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What? JP talks about enforced monogamy as a social good, as in polygamous marraige should be illegal.
I agree insofar as state sanctioned polygamy being caustic to society, and that legally prohibiting polygamous marraige is valid insofar as barring rights and privelages granted by government to married people.
How is that incel?

[Buzzworthy]

Get a fucking room you two

[MultiVerse]

You could just post “Hey, I was wrong about that “ instead of what you posted above. You know, concise and to the point like Luigi.

That happened many pages ago. You're the one who is weirdly fixated on it.

In any event, on the remote chance anyone still cares (apologies to Buzzworthy & riser4) note the relatively low median salary shown by US News compared with other source's use of average salary:

https://www.beckersasc.com/anesthesi...pensation.html

https://money.usnews.com/careers/bes...st-paying-jobs

When the median is lower than the average (mean), it indicates that data is skewed towards higher values, meaning there are a few significantly high values that are pulling the average upwards. It's kinda like CEO pay in that sense

[riser4]

Get a fucking room you two

LOL. I was just about to post that very same thing.

[KQ]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DDaO7...5oamgxcDUxenhz

[Ted Striker]

Amazing, no mention of asshole doctors giving you 5 min for hundreds of dollars. .

Naw, dude. What's amazing is your complete misread of almost every single situation.

[Trackhead]

Get a fucking room you two

I laughed.

[Trackhead]

What's kinda nutty about that is the wide discrepancy from one source to next. His had a different ordering than mine which is more or less par for the course. Probably has to with looking at median vs average etc. USA today, for example, uses BLS data to show top U.S. occupation salaries with yet another ordering:

Neurosurgery: $920,500
Orthopedic surgery: $788,600
Dermatology: $655,200
Cardiac surgery: $607,300
Ophthalmology: $597,000

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...y/75969535007/

https://www.bls.gov/ooh/highest-paying.htm

14-16 years of school, med school, residency, fellowship, massive medical debt, sacrificing your prime youth years to an education to serve humanity in a meaningful way.

Next google how many hours per week + call time (minus optho/derm) those specialties are on the hook for.

I think their pay is commensurate with their expertise and benefit to humanity.

[Ted Striker]

Yeah, but now do dentists.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

14-16 years of school, med school, residency, fellowship, massive medical debt, sacrificing your prime youth years to an education to serve humanity in a meaningful way.

Next google how many hours per week + call time (minus optho/derm) those specialties are on the hook for.

I think their pay is commensurate with their expertise and benefit to humanity.

Yes. An anesthesiologist’s job is even worse when it comes to long hours and call. It’s not just surgery but time in OB, cath lab, GI lab and ICU. I think they have the worst call of any specialty.


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[Peruvian]

[subtle plague]

Yeah, but now do dentists.

how can you be so angry with your natural white smile and perfectly aligned teeth?

[The Nuclear Option]

I cannot speak to Jordan Peterson with any expertise.

Rather than any actual “Incel” ideology with its extremes blame of and violence against women, I am thinking about that young testosterone filled male who isnt getting any physica/ sexual and emotional gratification/connection with partners. “involuntarily celebate” with a lower case i. Whether it was his back pain or social issues, I think that it can push men to extremes. In this case it could have driven him down further into a dark hole of plotting violent revenge.

That's some bad back pain, that's a bit different than the incel red/black pill types. Wonder how much drug dependence was involved. Sidenote: don't really associate Jordan Peterson with incel ideology. His message is one of traditional family: get married, have kids.

[MultiVerse]

14-16 years of school, med school, residency, fellowship, massive medical debt, sacrificing your prime youth years to an education to serve humanity in a meaningful way.

Next google how many hours per week + call time (minus optho/derm) those specialties are on the hook for.

I think their pay is commensurate with their expertise and benefit to humanity.

Every point you mention is discussed in the article. If people think the benefit is worth the cost then the people have spoken. When people blame health insurance for high medical cost however, it just isn't so. UHC's net profit margin is about 6-percent, half the average of the S&P 500.

Other insurance campaniles are less profitable. If UHC and other insurers eliminated all overhead, the U.S. government eliminated all administrative costs and we only had administrative expenditures from healthcare providers it would only save about $680 per person relative to other countries.

The reason why health care is so expensive in America is because "the U.S. spends twice as much as comparable countries do on health, driven mostly by higher payments to hospitals and physicians." If people want to pay less for health care, national health insurance with strong negotiating power is one way to do it.

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/...013%20-%202021