United Healthcare CEO shot to death in front of NYC investor meeting

[Harry]

i'll chip in a few bucks to a luigi mangione defense fund.

Same.

[Lostintime]

Steal ur face. You need to rethink your career goals. FBI profiler. Nice work!

[Dantheman]

Old Ted conducted a nearly 20-year long reign of terror from a shack in Montana with no electricity or running water and was only caught because his brother dropped a dime on him. This guy gets caught in under a week at a McDonalds. I guess it's true that Gen Z is soft.

[I Skied Bandini Mountain]

Old Ted conducted a nearly 20-year long reign of terror from a shack in Montana with no electricity or running water and was only caught because his brother dropped a dime on him. This guy gets caught in under a week at a McDonalds. I guess it's true that Gen Z is soft.

Brutal.

[heckacali]

Well at least it wasn't Starbucks

[fomofo]

Now we know for sure: Eating at McDonalds is bad for your health.

[stealurface831]

Old Ted conducted a nearly 20-year long reign of terror from a shack in Montana with no electricity or running water and was only caught because his brother dropped a dime on him. This guy gets caught in under a week at a McDonalds. I guess it's true that Gen Z is soft.

teddy boy mailed his death devices from the safety of his sheltered, secluded world. luigi went out boots on the ground and capped somebody ass. who is the real softie here?

[summit]

Valid counterpoint

[Skistack]

Let's withhold ranking until we see this guy's manifesto. 35,000 words on a manual typewriter sets a pretty high bar.

[stealurface831]

Manifesto forthcoming, both of these dudes still trail mightily to clubhouse leader the zodiac who is a clear one-one.


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[Tamburello Rouge]

He's not wrong, though.

[dunfree]

Well, it appears the gun discourse was bullshit with the actual answer being “3d printed guns suck”

[MultiVerse]

He is wrong. There are lots of places in the world where political violence is routine. It's a nightmare. There needs to be unbreakable fundamental condemnation of political and vigilante violence. The alternative is societal collapse. His actions should be condemned openly without qualification. He deserves a fair trial with competent legal representation and zero sympathy

[bennymac]

Weird shit.

I’m thinking psyc meds. Or hidden mental illness.

Of course of course. Plus add in those french fries cooked in seed oil amirite?

[californiagrown]

He is wrong. There are lots of places in the world where political violence is routine. It's a nightmare. There needs to be unbreakable fundamental condemnation of political and vigilante violence. The alternative is societal collapse. His actions should be condemned openly without qualification. He deserves a fair trial with competent legal representation and zero sympathy

Was this political violence? If an internal insurance policy to falsely deny care as a programmed initial response results in you or your family member losing life/limb, should the only punishment be in the civil courts as part of a lawsuit? What if the insurance companies make a policy of rejecting coverage for life/limbsaving care without due dilligence to investigate the claim... who is to blame, and should that person/those people be held to justice in civil or criminal court? Maybe the powerful people making these decisions need to face some real blowback from time to time to help ensure good faith, instead of just some fines.

The health insurance industry should be fiduciary (in the sense of everything being done in the patient/policy holders best interest), and if someone is found to not be upholding their fiduciary responsibility, they should be subject to criminal prosecution for harming or killing people (assault, manslaughter, etc). As i said before, if health insurance denied my kid lifesaving care because of a programmed algorithm, instead of actually investigating... id have a tough time not justifying what this Luigi fellow did. See Denzel in "John Q".

[MultiVerse]

Yes, political and vigilante violence. Go read his Ted Kaczynski review in the post above. Assassinating someone over abstract ideas is not the act of an ordered mind. Something people should keep in mind when trying to map the horrible act of someone going through a mental health crisis onto a political cause

[JimmyCarter]

He is wrong. There are lots of places in the world where political violence is routine. It's a nightmare. There needs to be unbreakable fundamental condemnation of political and vigilante violence. The alternative is societal collapse. His actions should be condemned openly without qualification. He deserves a fair trial with competent legal representation and zero sympathy

The social contract has already been broken by the victim and his ilk. If the rich and powerful are above the law it would appear ignoring the rule of law is people’s only hope for a fair outcome.

[californiagrown]

Yes, political and and vigilante violence. Go read his Ted Kaczynski review in the post above

He is not wrong. Where we disagree with Td and Luigi, is that WE dont think we are yet at the point where discourse and dialogue has failed and violence is the only solution left.

We likely dont disagree that there does in fact come a time where violence is the only viable solution left.

[MultiVerse]

I disagree completely

The social contract has already been broken by the victim and his ilk. If the rich and powerful are above the law it would appear ignoring the rule of law is people’s only hope for a fair outcome.

Untied Health Care is more profitable because the company denied a higher percentage of claims than most other insurance companies. That's true. The answer is to demand additional reforms to the health care and insurance system

[californiagrown]

I disagree completely

that there is ever a time for violence?

[MultiVerse]

In this context, yes. In this context it's people who are no different than those who ordered thousands of beheadings during the French Revolution. Thankfully they don't have the power to do what they want.

And for all its faults the American health system provides a higher level of care than most other health care systems.

[I Skied Bandini Mountain]

We're getting into "Catch -22" territory.

[bennymac]

[muted reborn]

The answer is to demand additional reforms to the health care and insurance system

[Tamburello Rouge]

And for all its faults the American health system provides a higher level of care than most other health care systems.

Only for those that can afford it.

Untied Health Care is more profitable because the company denied a higher percentage of claims than most other insurance companies. That's true. The answer is to demand additional reforms to the health care and insurance system

And when those demands get ignored for decades, as they have been in this case and so many others, then what?