Salomon Shift Alpha BOA

[jacob_dbu]

Anyone know what the differences are between the 110, 120, and 130? I'll be swapping the liner, so I'm mostly looking to save money

Tried the boot on and with an Intuition Tour Wrap they work for me much better than the Cochise I've been using. I have a very low volume instep and a medium heel with a bone spur. I always struggle with heel hold due to too much instep space on the lateral side and the narrow heels of the Atomic boots never got along with me well.

[XtrPickels]

Bigger number is bigger better.

[FloridaSnow]

Anyone know what the differences are between the 110, 120, and 130? I'll be swapping the liner, so I'm mostly looking to save money

Tried the boot on and with an Intuition Tour Wrap they work for me much better than the Cochise I've been using. I have a very low volume instep and a medium heel with a bone spur. I always struggle with heel hold due to too much instep space on the lateral side and the narrow heels of the Atomic boots never got along with me well.

higher number equals stiffer flex. Other than that each one gets a nicer liner.

[jacob_dbu]

Damn I'm not stupid ok, jesus this place is weak now. Most of the time the difference between a 120 and a 130 is the liner, colorway and nothing else. Sometimes the 120 will have worse buckles, a worse powerstrap etc. Almost always a 120 and 130 have identical shells made of identical material - sometimes the cuff material will be downgraded on a 120 (e.g. carbon infused vs not for a grilamid touring binding).

These are the questions I'm asking.

Is the shell the same material?
Is the cuff the same material?
Do the buckles also use threaded bolts or do the lower versions riveted?

[XXX-er]

Damn I'm not stupid ok, jesus this place is weak now. Most of the time the difference between a 120 and a 130 is the liner, colorway and nothing else. Sometimes the 120 will have worse buckles, a worse powerstrap etc. Almost always a 120 and 130 have identical shells made of identical material - sometimes the cuff material will be downgraded on a 120 (e.g. carbon infused vs not for a grilamid touring binding).

These are the questions I'm asking.

Is the shell the same material?
Is the cuff the same material?
Do the buckles also use threaded bolts or do the lower versions riveted?

Maybe you need a second opinion cuz actualy that ^^ was not the question you asked the 1st time , this is a print medium so you have to use your words ( said in condescending tone of voice )

[XtrPickels]

Damn I'm not stupid ok, jesus this place is weak now.

You obviously haven't been here very long

[NBABUCKS1]

onk will most likely have insight into this despite not being in his portfolio.

[GoldenBC]

If you don’t want us to be weak, how about you’re an idiot and 99% of boot shells are different between a 110-120-130. So the answer is flex.

[jacob_dbu]

I guess were all pissed off today...me included

[Going Coastal]

Per the solly website compare tool the foothold on the 130 is exceptional, but the 120 is merely great. If I was buying boots again, I would much rather be exceptional than great.

[kid-kapow]

Per the solly website compare tool the foothold on the 130 is exceptional, but the 120 is merely great. If I was buying boots again, I would much rather be exceptional than great.

holy crap, thank you for this gem of an observation. It made my snicker uncontrollably at work today - something I needed after the last few days.

Anyone know what the differences are between the 110, 120, and 130? I'll be swapping the liner, so I'm mostly looking to save money

Tried the boot on and with an Intuition Tour Wrap they work for me much better than the Cochise I've been using. I have a very low volume instep and a medium heel with a bone spur. I always struggle with heel hold due to too much instep space on the lateral side and the narrow heels of the Atomic boots never got along with me well.

hm, the question in the post seemed pretty straight forward to me - so unsure why people replied as they did. Oh well.

According to Evo all the shells are the same - the specs are all listed identically - and the buckles seem the same too. If that is the case you might as well go for the cheapest one if you are going to replace the liners and strap - unless you want a particular color.

[XXX-er]

As mentioned already One Nerdy Kid where ever he is would be nerdy on the minutia

[XtrPickels]

holy crap, thank you for this gem of an observation. It made my snicker uncontrollably at work today - something I needed after the last few days.



hm, the question in the post seemed pretty straight forward to me - so unsure why people replied as they did. Oh well.

Because this information is easily obtained with an internet search and does not require specific knowledge, nor personal experience - IMO.

And frankly, if someone is making their flex decision based on cost, I don't think boot nuance is that important to them.

[Eastside]

holy crap, thank you for this gem of an observation. It made my snicker uncontrollably at work today - something I needed after the last few days.



hm, the question in the post seemed pretty straight forward to me - so unsure why people replied as they did. Oh well.

According to Evo all the shells are the same - the specs are all listed identically - and the buckles seem the same too. If that is the case you might as well go for the cheapest one if you are going to replace the liners and strap - unless you want a particular color.

This is not something I am emotionally equipped to believe. If true, this is literally the "one small trick" ski boot manufacturers do not want you to know.

[kid-kapow]

As mentioned already One Nerdy Kid where ever he is would be nerdy on the minutia

Because this information is easily obtained with an internet search and does not require specific knowledge, nor personal experience - IMO.

ok. I am sure he feels properly chastised.

While I hate threads where people won't bother to put in a minimum of effort to figure out said things in advance, I did not find this thread annoying. Perhaps it is because it made me wonder, as well as the aforementioned gem which made me laugh out loud. I have no idea if Evo's info is accurate or just marketing.

And frankly, if someone is making their flex decision based on cost, I don't think boot nuance is that important to them.

if you can find that in anything the OP has written in this thread than your reading skills far surpasses mine. I will strive to do better in the future.

This is not something I am emotionally equipped to believe. If true, this is literally the "one small trick" ski boot manufacturers do not want you to know.

As mentioned upthread - there is usually some stated difference in materials between the different models. If these are actual or just marketing speak is above my pay grade to know. Quick, somebody get some dirt on onenerdykid!

[XXX-er]

One Nerdy Kid will appear upon the Tech talk when its time for you to know

in any case is buddy stupid ... inquiring minds want to know ?

[onenerdykid]

lol, why should I be commenting on a Salomon boot thread?

Anyone's guess here will be as good as mine - I would default to a catalog for the specs.

[Eastside]

lol, why should I be commenting on a Salomon boot thread?

Anyone's guess here will be as good as mine - I would default to a catalog for the specs.

You are the Interweb Wizard. Are you not?

[FloridaSnow]

lol, why should I be commenting on a Salomon boot thread?

Anyone's guess here will be as good as mine - I would default to a catalog for the specs.

I think they wrongly assumed because some atomic and Salomon bindings are co branded the boots would all be the same situation.

[XXX-er]

Yeah so back in the day a lawyer called me the expert and I was like uh well

he said hey yer new in town you gota suitcase full of tools ... yer the expert !

[jacob_dbu]

I ask because if you snoop the pics it's pretty clear that the 110 has riveted cuff buckles while the 120 and 130 have bolted ones. But then...the pics make the 120 look like it has a riveted pivot whereas the 110 and 130 both appear to have bolted pivots....that would be strange...also I'm a fan of the 120 color scheme better and I prefer a velcro powerstrap.

Sorry next time I'll be sure to link my autobiography in case you needed some more details

[GoldenBC]

It seems like the 130 is the only one with bolted cuffs. It looks like they both have bolted buckles. The powerstraps are different as you noted. And the flex is different.

[onenerdykid]

I think they wrongly assumed because some atomic and Salomon bindings are co branded the boots would all be the same situation.

Between Salomon & Atomic, bindings are co-developed and co-funded, but boots are entirely separate endeavors. I basically find out what Salomon is up to around the same time when I find out what other brands are doing.

I can definitely speak to the differences between Atomic's 130 vs 120 vs 110 boots, for example, but Salomon doesn't follow our formulas/recipes, they have their own strategies.

[NBABUCKS1]

Between Salomon & Atomic, bindings are co-developed and co-funded, but boots are entirely separate endeavors. I basically find out what Salomon is up to around the same time when I find out what other brands are doing.

that's wild I figured the teams would work together and use same engineers, factory, etc thus my comment!

[kid-kapow]

I think they wrongly assumed because some atomic and Salomon bindings are co branded the boots would all be the same situation.

No.

It was an attempt at a joke to hold the one boot designer that is active on this forum for ransom to have him spill the beans on whether or not various Atomic boots did in fact have differing constructions or if it was just marketing malarkey.

you know - real fancy humor.

Still - woof - over some heads.

I will Strive to make things even more obvious going forward.

Wait - Look, is that an attempt at a binding joke? (alas - I wish the B Taylor song was called pivot around)

yeah, I should called it quits just about now. I am hardly entertaining myself here - let alone anybody else.