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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post
    Montezuma County Sheriff Steve Nowlin and deputies stood by as locals worked. In a press release the day before, Nowlin had asked residents to not gather and remove the fence.

    “The only reason why we’re here is to document and keep the peace, that’s it,” Nowlin said Thursday.

    Nowlin made it clear that this was a civil matter, not a criminal one, emphasizing that the courts would ultimately decide the legitimacy of the Free Land Holder claims.

    “Let a judge decide who’s right and who’s wrong. Who’s to say who’s right, who’s wrong? What if they’re right? Let it happen in court,” he said, underscoring that his authority did not extend to enforcing or resolving the civil dispute on federal land.


    Feel free to take that up with Sheriff Nowlin. Maybe you have a better understanding of the situation than he does.
    no, the sheriff is completely right. it is no criminal matter because the fs doesn't want to enforce 36 cfs § 261.10a.
    swing your fucking sword.

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    if I build a cabin on forest land and staked my claim
    you bet holy hell that they will evict the shit out of me with all force

    this is a cop out

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    This is such bullshit. I'm still mad that they didn't just send in the helicopter gunships to evict the first Bundy insurrection/occupation. Those fucks are stealing from all of us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stealurface831 View Post
    no, the sheriff is completely right. it is no criminal matter because the fs doesn't want to enforce 36 cfs § 261.10a.
    Nowlin is still right; he's county, not Federal.

    From what I read, Forest Protection Officers (FPOs) enforce Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) § 261.10, which regulates the use and occupancy of developed recreation sites in National Forests. Penalties
    Violations of CFR § 261.10 can result in a penalty of up to $500, 6 months in prison, or both.

    Get as snotty as you'd like, but the fact remains that the feds are playing the civil matter first, since a tiny fine and imprisoning 1 person isn't going to alleviate the claim.
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    ^^^This

    Yes, it’s likely total bullshit. Good luck trying to stake a claim on the basis of The Treaty of Guadalupe Hildago.

    That said,
    From what I’m reading, these wingnuts haven’t restricted access to the trail system or other uses of the USFS land. They just put up a fence to “mark their territory”.

    I don’t see an imminent threat to public safety here, so let’s not create one with armed confrontation. Let these idiots get their head handed to them in court.

    And I don’t think this group is FLDS
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    I expect the FS is thinking to play the long game, rather than immediately pissing off every anti-gov dickhead (and there is a sizable contingent in that area and nearby) resulting in angry mobs. So far, so good - it’s been relatively peaceful. Hope it stays that way…not sure it will.

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    who gives a fuck if there is no eminent threat to public safety? it is a crime against our public land. and not enforcing laws cause doing so might piss some wackjobs off?

    they are going to get laughed out of the court re: their claims. why not throw the book at them too and send the message that this shit doesn't fly, bullshit land grab or not.
    swing your fucking sword.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stealurface831 View Post
    who gives a fuck if there is no eminent threat to public safety? it is a crime against our public land. and not enforcing laws cause doing so might piss some wackjobs off?

    they are going to get laughed out of the court re: their claims. why not throw the book at them too and send the message that this shit doesn't fly, bullshit land grab or not.
    Well, they will probably enforce the laws but not violently if they can help it. Plus, the perps are being fairly peaceful so I don’t think going in with force is a winning game…at this time. The long game will likely help build/maintain community support.

    Or hell, just send in a flakkad-squad of brutal LEOs and kick some ass.

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    They put up a fence, claimed some land, said they wouldn't bar access to anyone, USFS told them to take the fence down, some other people did it for them, they haven't put up a new fence, everyone can still access it, and the courts are going to sort out the claims? At least that's what I took from the article.

    I like the long game. Really, they could be cited for littering or vandalism or something and they could sort that out in court too. Doesn't sound like they were using the land or blocked access yet.

    But I don't live there and am not seeing it. I'd have a different perspective if I lived there like some of you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BFD View Post
    I'm curious about the back story. How'd they select this land and area? Some rando loop hole they think they found specific to this parcel? Or was there a FLDS contingent here that said 'here. this is your place'. Dunno.
    that is what is kind of weird. It appears they had some type of legal description for an aliquot part. The S1/16 of section 21,22 fits a legal description. But than no date or license number on the cap.
    OK, so there is some backstory. FLDS did actually own some land (about 160 acres) that's surrounded completely by national forest. They purchased that in 2004. They supposedly had a small compound there and it's suspected that Warren and/or Lyle Jeffs were hiding out there at some point. When Pipkin won his wrongful arrest lawsuit in 2020, the judgement granted him several properties including those 160 acres. They removed some of the FLDS stuff but I'm not really clear on if anyone is or did live there.

    The property went through a $0 transfer in Dec 2023 and is currently owned by "PJ Sunset PLP Nevada Revocable Living Trust." No fucking clue who owns that trust, but PLP happens to be Patrick Leroy Pipkin's initials.

    PJ Sunset PLP is currently delinquent on their property taxes (to the tune of $12k-ish) and the property is scheduled to go to auction on Nov 7. Public notice in the paper yesterday.

    In any case that's 160acres of private property, so I only bring that up because the ~1400 or so acres of USFS land that they are fencing in happens to completely surround this parcel.

    Also the survey markers they placed are total bullshit, made by the FLHC, there's no professional surveyor markings on them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conundrum View Post
    They put up a fence, claimed some land, said they wouldn't bar access to anyone, USFS told them to take the fence down, some other people did it for them, they haven't put up a new fence, everyone can still access it, and the courts are going to sort out the claims? At least that's what I took from the article.
    Quote Originally Posted by TBS View Post
    From what I’m reading, these wingnuts haven’t restricted access to the trail system or other uses of the USFS land. They just put up a fence to “mark their territory”.

    I don’t see an imminent threat to public safety here, so let’s not create one with armed confrontation.
    Well that's the spiel they gave to the twig pigs and the sheriff. Reports from folks that encountered them over the weekend are that FLHC were quite a bit more confrontational before LEO got involved.

    The fence is also NOT removed yet, quite a bit got taken down today but there's a lot more to go and people will be back out again the next few days. LEO was out there today making sure that nothing escalated but they have said they won't be going forward.

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    Makes more sense. Perspectives. I have taken a more measured, let time play out stance ever since I yelled at Ammon Bundy’s protesters to “feed their kids” a couple hundred yards from my house. One of the protestors tried to run across the road to charge me and a security guard clothes lined him with a night stick. Ammon eventually went through court proceedings and owes $50m ish to the local hospital. Lost his house and is on the lam. Maybe never caught and will never pay up but we haven’t heard about him in a couple years which I do like.

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    Don't be too sure about the FS winning in court. SCOTUS did give half the state of Oklahoma to the tribes. Okay, okay, maybe the Native Americans have a very slightly better case that the land is theirs, but then doesn't this Pipken guy claim Native American blood? /s

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    Well then where do we send the 55 gal drum of lube?
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    My feelings remain the same regarding the group, but the long game seems the way to go. No need for another Waco.

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    I have been reading alot about the "disenfranchised white male" the psychology behind their actions and motivations is fascinating to me. Their low T, inability to get it up without drugs, laziness, poor physical and mental health, inability to create meaningful relationships with others, and the biggest loosing their "rightful" place in society as the top dog to women and minorities.

    The quick research adrenalated did proves the point. Here is a guy whose going to lose his land, he has no money other than what his followers give, (I mean fencing is expensive so where did they get this money?), now he will soon have a go fund me page and the money will start flowing in and he will be able to pay the back taxes and purchase more guns.

    Everyone should take a drive or walk around colorado city and hildale. The place is pretty mind blowing when you take it all in. Even though this clown may or may not be FLDS, he has had a lot to do with them.

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    Holy Hell! High 5s to the Wranglers, fencing pliers and .45s crowd. And now the Sherriff is saying, "we had your back yesterday but not today"? And we wonder why it is like it is? The Boomers in Training that don't stop to help someone with a flat tire and don't give first aid because of liability concerns are apologists for government inaction.



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    Quote Originally Posted by stealurface831 View Post
    who gives a fuck if there is no eminent threat to public safety? it is a crime against our public land. and not enforcing laws cause doing so might piss some wackjobs off?

    they are going to get laughed out of the court re: their claims. why not throw the book at them too and send the message that this shit doesn't fly, bullshit land grab or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fastfred View Post
    I have been reading alot about the "disenfranchised white male" the psychology behind their actions and motivations is fascinating to me. Their low T, inability to get it up without drugs, laziness, poor physical and mental health, inability to create meaningful relationships with others, and the biggest loosing their "rightful" place in society as the top dog to women and minorities.

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    A pretty soft bunch really.

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    Sort of related, we're seeing lots of political television ads promoting state state control over federal lands here in Utah. It's a long running issue in the Western US. Most westerners of all political affiliation resolutely oppose proposals to privatize public lands but there's still a lot of local, especially rural, anger toward the federal government. The federal lands privatization movement is playing a long game too. Utah makes high stakes gamble in Supreme Court federal land case:

    https://news.bloomberglaw.com/enviro...ral-lands-case

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    Met a guy in Park City who has been trying to spread the word (educating journalists etc) about this Utah effort ^. Must be energizing submitting a case to the Supremes built on lies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chicken feathers View Post
    A pretty soft bunch really.
    it's sad
    was in a pretty rural colorado place last weekend went to the local diner which was filled with FJB and right is right t shirts for sale as well as all the other flags and garbage
    the old people were out in numbers they all looked like death everyone else was over weight and then men were looking 10 years older than they were
    these tards were all open carry

    like when was the last time you got mugged or taken hostage?
    who is out to get you and take "it" away from you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles View Post
    Holy Hell! High 5s to the Wranglers, fencing pliers and .45s crowd. And now the Sherriff is saying, "we had your back yesterday but not today"? And we wonder why it is like it is? The Boomers in Training that don't stop to help someone with a flat tire and don't give first aid because of liability concerns are apologists for government inaction.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MultiVerse View Post
    Sort of related, we're seeing lots of political television ads promoting state state control over federal lands here in Utah. It's a long running issue in the Western US. Most westerners of all political affiliation resolutely oppose proposals to privatize public lands but there's still a lot of local, especially rural, anger toward the federal government. The federal lands privatization movement is playing a long game too. Utah makes high stakes gamble in Supreme Court federal land case:

    https://news.bloomberglaw.com/enviro...ral-lands-case
    The billboards in I15 are fucking infuriating, and the whole effort should be completely terrifying to anyone who isn't a complete moran. UT's view of managing its own land can be boiled down to 1 thing, sell it to the highest bidder so they can fence it off and mine it or turn it into a golf course/mall parking lot. The fucks in our legislature couldn't manage themselves out of a cardboard box unless manage means monetize to the max.
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    ^^^ this 1000%. Additionally, they will sell it off to maximize the dollars going into their already rich buddies pockets. And some for the church of course, gotta make sure them pearly gates are held open.
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    interesting article on Constitutionalist Sheriffs

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...egade-sheriffs

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