Do Gore-Tex 3L ski pants still exist?

**dexterq20** · 10-03-2024, 09:44 AM

I know bibs are all the rage these days, but there are still some geezers out there like me who prefer pants. It seems that virtually all manufacturers have shifted their high-end Gore-Tex 3L offerings from pants to bibs, obviously due to consumer demand. Who still makes Gore-Tex 3L ski pants? I'm having a helluva time finding any. (Yes, Patagonia makes the Untracked pants, but they don't have inner thigh venting, so they're a hard "no go" for me.) There are some options out there from Mammut and TNF that are built for mountaineering, but I'm looking for actual ski pants that feature a roomier fit, scuff guards, plenty of pockets, etc. And no, I'm not looking for alternative materials to Gore-Tex - I'm 100% drunk on the Gore-Tex Kool-Aid. Thanks gang.

**theetruscan** · 10-03-2024, 10:18 AM

https://www.norrona.com/en-GB/produc...-pro-pant-men/ dunno the vent story, but isn’t gore tex pro all three layer?

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**theetruscan** · 10-03-2024, 10:19 AM

idk what the fuck is wrong with tapatalk, keeps turning 1003 into that emoji nightmare

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**Duffman** · 10-03-2024, 10:25 AM

I'm on board. Hate bibs. I'm already a sweaty bastard in gear , last thing I need is another damn waterproof breathable layer under my Waterproof breathable shell . Why are bibs all the rage?

**dexterq20** · 10-03-2024, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by theetruscan

https://www.norrona.com/en-GB/produc...-pro-pant-men/ dunno the vent story, but isn’t gore tex pro all three layer?

Thanks, I did find the Norrona stuff, but it looks like their offerings don't have inner thigh vents either. Those are an absolute must for me and my steamy crotch. *sigh*

**theetruscan** · 10-03-2024, 11:36 AM

the horribly named https://www.norrona.com/en-GB/produc...-plus-pant-ms/ does have an inner thigh vent. please don’t pay retail tho. sheesh

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**XXX-er** · 10-03-2024, 11:48 AM

I always buy Arcterxy good stuff and if/ when it breaks I can get warranty

and forget 2 layer, at least with 3 layer you can fix it

**half-fast** · 10-03-2024, 01:13 PM

Montbell has several 3 layer pants

**54-46** · 10-04-2024, 02:42 AM

https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...levenate-Smith

The top part of bibs I’m selling can zip off and the pants have adjustable waist. 3L gore tex pro.

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**waxoff** · 10-04-2024, 03:23 AM

There's also the Haglöfs Vassi GTX. Outside thigh ventilation only though...

http://www.haglofs.com/en/activities...-men-6068384VY

**whyturn** · 10-04-2024, 07:51 AM

Norrona does have an outlet if you create an account and may have sales

Also not gore Tex but strafe has good pants and so does flylow

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**dexterq20** · 10-04-2024, 10:26 AM

Thanks everyone, this is helpful. Crazy how so many brands have shifted to outer thigh vents instead of inner. Must be easier/cheaper to produce. And those Norrona Lofoten pants are nuts - $950?? Holy hell. No thanks.

**XXX-er** · 10-04-2024, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by dexterq20

Thanks everyone, this is helpful. Crazy how so many brands have shifted to outer thigh vents instead of inner. Must be easier/cheaper to produce. And those Norrona Lofoten pants are nuts - $950?? Holy hell. No thanks.

re: thigh vents IME look for pants with horizontal pocket opennings if possible for 2 reasons

if the pockets are vertical shit falls out if they arent zipped closed

a vertical pocket takes up space on the leg so the vent can't be as long

**Island Bay** · 10-04-2024, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by waxoff

There's also the Haglöfs Vassi GTX. Outside thigh ventilation only though...

http://www.haglofs.com/en/activities...-men-6068384VY

Those look bloody good. Add suspenders, though :-)

**waxoff** · 10-04-2024, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Island Bay

Those look bloody good. Add suspenders, though :-)

That's what I did to mine, albeit they are from a few years back. Great pants though!

**californiagrown** · 10-04-2024, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by Duffman

I'm on board. Hate bibs. I'm already a sweaty bastard in gear , last thing I need is another damn waterproof breathable layer under my Waterproof breathable shell . Why are bibs all the rage?

I run hot. If you are touring when its not snowing/raining, bibs can be cooler. Why? Because if you get them slightly oversized hot air from your legs is able to rise up and out the top of the bibs because there is not waistband holding it all in. YMMV, but i i can dump heat ridiculously quick by just uncinching my packs waistband for a minute and letting the hot air rise up and out.

So, basically, bibs can be both cooler and warmer than pants. The only condition they arent great is when its storm snaining and you are working up a sweat but dont want to ever unzip your fully weather protection to dump heat.

**stuckathuntermtn** · 10-04-2024, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by XXX-er

I always buy Arcterxy good stuff and if/ when it breaks I can get warranty

and forget 2 layer, at least with 3 layer you can fix it

Do you...do you fix it with Aquaseal?

**stuckathuntermtn** · 10-04-2024, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by californiagrown

I run hot. If you are touring when its not snowing/raining, bibs can be cooler. Why? Because if you get them slightly oversized hot air from your legs is able to rise up and out the top of the bibs because there is not waistband holding it all in. YMMV, but i i can dump heat ridiculously quick by just uncinching my packs waistband for a minute and letting the hot air rise up and out.

So, basically, bibs can be both cooler and warmer than pants. The only condition they arent great is when its storm snaining and you are working up a sweat but dont want to ever unzip your fully weather protection to dump heat.

Interesting

**byates1** · 10-04-2024, 10:15 PM

Arc'teryx minuteman or old school sabre pant. Bombproof available cheap old school gortex.

**byates1** · 10-04-2024, 10:21 PM

https://www.ebay.com/itm/32629386590...mis&media=COPY

**MagnificentUnicorn** · 10-05-2024, 06:42 AM

Originally Posted by californiagrown

I run hot. If you are touring when its not snowing/raining, bibs can be cooler. Why? Because if you get them slightly oversized hot air from your legs is able to rise up and out the top of the bibs because there is not waistband holding it all in. YMMV, but i i can dump heat ridiculously quick by just uncinching my packs waistband for a minute and letting the hot air rise up and out.

So, basically, bibs can be both cooler and warmer than pants. The only condition they arent great is when its storm snaining and you are working up a sweat but dont want to ever unzip your fully weather protection to dump heat.

People touring in pants or bibs that have a membrane baffle me. I tour in soft shell pants that have thigh zippers. I only use the zippers if it’s spring and well above freezing. Membrane pants/bibs are reserved for riding lifts.

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**XXX-er** · 10-05-2024, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn

Do you...do you fix it with Aquaseal?

even tho I've moved on to unicorn cum I bet there is still a wholethread on AQS somewhere

When I blew out the crotch on some arcterxy soft shells they gave me more credit towards another pair than I had paid for the pants so bought another pair and I am a big fanboi of the dead bird products