Pivot 2.0

[DarthMarkus]

I searched and couldn't find anything specific yet. If it exists, feel free to flame me.

Any differences in delta, functionality, or elastic travel that anyone can attest to yet?

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[bearcub69]

only differences im aware of is a redesign in the arms on the heel piece.. supposed to eliminate the possibility to snap your finger off if you get it caught as there is now more clearance.. and I think there's a bit more adjustability range. not sure how much more as I think the pivot 1.0 you could go about +/- 5mm each way

[fleaches]

There's some info in one of the gear rumors threads but it might take some digging.

Video with some info here https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...-Pivot-Updates

Some people have already bought them from Europe

My understanding is more adjustment range (yay!), a little less plastic, and pozi drive adjust

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[J. Barron DeJong]

https://www.skitalk.com/threads/upda...ot-info.32928/

(‘Pug Cup’ is the metal insert in the pole tip divot.)

[oetk2]

another thread here

https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...7930-Pivot-2-0

[bearcub69]

I like how there's supposed to be a scratch resistant finish but some people in the other thread had them show up lookin beat

[pfluffenmeister]

More travel is really just more adjusment range, right?

[FloridaSnow]

I like how there's supposed to be a scratch resistant finish but some people in the other thread had them show up lookin beat

where did you hear scratch resistant finish? I haven’t seen that said anywhere. I know the rubber bumpers are supposed to help the heel not get scratched as much from people stomping on them. But that’s not a finish.

[bearcub69]

where did you hear scratch resistant finish? I haven’t seen that said anywhere. I know the rubber bumpers are supposed to help the heel not get scratched as much from people stomping on them. But that’s not a finish.

you're right. not a finish.. just ironic that they include rubber bumpers to protect the finish but they still get scratched up during shipping.

[J. Barron DeJong]

More travel is really just more adjusment range, right?

Pretty certain that’s right.

[DarthMarkus]

Double the current elastic travel would be wild. Especially for the pivot. Probably referring to the adjustment.

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[The Iron Horse]

There was supposed to be greater adjustment range, but looking over the pair that I received, it appears like it may actually be less.

[FloridaSnow]

you're right. not a finish.. just ironic that they include rubber bumpers to protect the finish but they still get scratched up during shipping.

if you’ve seen pivots that have been stomped on its clear the bumpers will make a huge difference.

[FloridaSnow]

More travel is really just more adjusment range, right?

correct. This was clarified in the ski talk thread. Just more adjustment range. No more elasticity.

[The Iron Horse]

correct. This was clarified in the ski talk thread. Just more adjustment range. No more elasticity.

Yeah, except thats seems like a bogus claim. Be curious to hear from others who have a pair in hand, but I don't see any additional adjustment range on my pair.

[ASmileyFace]

Yeah, except thats seems like a bogus claim. Be curious to hear from others who have a pair in hand, but I don't see any additional adjustment range on my pair.

I’ve got a pair in hand and will check tomorrow. I’ve heard 20mm of adjustment vs 10mm on v1. Should be easy to check vs my other pairs.

[FloridaSnow]

Yeah, except thats seems like a bogus claim. Be curious to hear from others who have a pair in hand, but I don't see any additional adjustment range on my pair.

well the claim would be from look. I’m just talking about the ski talk list. When it says double adjustment that was in reference to Looks claim of more adjustability. Not more elasticity.

[The Iron Horse]

well the claim would be from look. I’m just talking about the ski talk list. When it says double adjustment that was in reference to Looks claim of more adjustability. Not more elasticity.

Absolutely. I was referring to Look's claim. Apologies if it sounded directed at you.

[soul_skier]

The way the connecting arms between the heel and baseplate are bent out allow for more adjustability without having the boot heel hit the connecting arms at the back end of the adjustment range. My understanding is that a pivot 2.0 mounted in the same holes as a standard pivot will be able to fit a longer BSL boot, but not a shorter one.

[The Iron Horse]

My understanding is that a pivot 2.0 mounted in the same holes as a standard pivot will be able to fit a longer BSL boot, but not a shorter one.

I'm not sure. Inserting a new Pivot in the old holes, I find that whereas before my mounts were close to centered on the middle knurl, now they are all the way back. If I switched to a longer bsl, I'd have to remount.

I guess for most folks it won't matter because they aren't going to strip off old Pivots just to mount a new pair. For anyone using inserts, however, if they had been stretched out before may find they need to move either the toe or the heel.

What's odd is that this doesn't mean greater adjustability, at least not by any definition that I can imagine. I expected either longer threads or a longer housing, thereby accommodating a greater range of bsl's with the same mount. That's not what I'm seeing. I think the bent connecting arms is definitely a good thing, but marketing it as "more adjustability" seems a bit misleading. But maybe I'm missing something.

[FloridaSnow]

I'm not sure. Inserting a new Pivot in the old holes, I find that whereas before my mounts were close to centered on the middle knurl, now they are all the way back. If I switched to a longer bsl, I'd have to remount.

I guess for most folks it won't matter because they aren't going to strip off old Pivots just to mount a new pair. For anyone using inserts, however, if they had been stretched out before may find they need to move either the toe or the heel.

What's odd is that this doesn't mean greater adjustability, at least not by any definition that I can imagine. I expected either longer threads or a longer housing, thereby accommodating a greater range of bsl's with the same mount. That's not what I'm seeing. I think the bent connecting arms is definitely a good thing, but marketing it as "more adjustability" seems a bit misleading. But maybe I'm missing something.

from looks marketing they’re really weren’t selling them as more range from a remount. They’re likely speaking from a new mount period. Which at that case the reality is there is more BSL adjustment on the 2.0. If you have a 1.0 and 2.0 both mounted at center adjustment on the same style ski side by side. The 2.0 should have more range. So their marketing rings true in that case.

really a fair test would be two skis mounted at the center point side by side and see what can fit the larger range.

[bearcub69]

talked with someone from look and they confirmed the new 2.0 has 20mm of range
I think the originals only had 10-15mm?

[ZomblibulaX]

I'm not sure. Inserting a new Pivot in the old holes, I find that whereas before my mounts were close to centered on the middle knurl, now they are all the way back. If I switched to a longer bsl, I'd have to remount.

I guess for most folks it won't matter because they aren't going to strip off old Pivots just to mount a new pair. For anyone using inserts, however, if they had been stretched out before may find they need to move either the toe or the heel.

What's odd is that this doesn't mean greater adjustability, at least not by any definition that I can imagine. I expected either longer threads or a longer housing, thereby accommodating a greater range of bsl's with the same mount. That's not what I'm seeing. I think the bent connecting arms is definitely a good thing, but marketing it as "more adjustability" seems a bit misleading. But maybe I'm missing something.

I'm wondering if your previous mount was done with the older style jig; when pivots were reintroduced, you had to adjust the jig to the boot, then close up the heel by 5mm to get it in the middle of the adjustment range. They fixed this when they moved to the plastic jigs, but it might explain your scenario.