Spot vs In reach vs ?

[heckacali]

What's the current best deal on satellite emergency beacons and communicators based on upfront price, service contract, features, and usability? Be specific in discussing sub models as each brand has various sub models with various features.

Use case:
Family member taking a multi week solo bike tour in Spain, what emergency beacon, satellite communicator is best for a luddite?

Additionally....
When they are done, I will take it over for Backcountry ski and moto trips I take all over the West Coast. I should have had one a long time ago considering how often I moto solo.

Importance for my use:
- family can track location
- sos
- send custom (normal) text either direct or via phone to device, 2 ways
- simple interface and decent sat coverage

[~mikey b]

I’ve been pretty happy with my inReach mini - it does all that stuff - I like how small it it - several plans to choose from

we sell em at the shop I work at - retail is $400 - at one point this summer Garmin had them on sale for $300 but only for a short time - you can find them used / refurbed for cheaper on Amazon

I haven’t compared the Spot v InReach - Spot has $50 off all their units on their website

[BCMtnHound]

I’ll second the InReach platform. Also have the original mini. Easy to change the plans, but do check with Garmin and/or the jurisdiction you will be travelling to in order to understand the nuances of local SAR response.
Only thing I can complain about is their Explore website for tracking the units. The map interface sucks IMO, but I work in professional GIS applications so I am a bit biased.

[heckacali]

Copy. Thx.

Keep the feedback coming.

I am familiar with garmins clunky software as I have an older c60 handheld and a Montana 600 for the moto.

Mikey B, you're at the BC in Truckee, correct?

[~mikey b]

yes sir

we also carry Zoleo and honestly I’m unfamiliar with it

https://www.thebackcountry.com/camp-...llite-devices/

[adrenalated]

Garmin has been kinda the gold standard for awhile now and I truthfully don't know if the competitors have caught up.

The two main complaints I have about InReach are:
1) typing on the device is clunky at best (I have the original Mini) and virtually mandates being paired to a phone.
2) there are too many different Garmin apps and none of them are quite as user friendly as they should be.
That said the satellite network seems to be incredibly reliable and it's also worth noting that, at least in my area, pretty much all the SAR teams are using InReach internally so getting in direct contact with rescuers (InReach to InReach communication) is a real possibility.

My past experiences with Spot (5+ years ago) was that the satellite network wasn't nearly as reliable. That may have changed.

Zoleo is the new kid on the block and I don't know anything about them other than their name sounds like some sort of prescription medication.

[heckacali]

Good stuff. Thx

[The Iron Horse]

Importance for my use:
- family can track location
- sos
- send custom (normal) text either direct or via phone to device, 2 ways
- simple interface and decent sat coverage

This pretty much defines the InReach and why I use it for backcountry, off-trail backpacking. I have had both the Mini and the Mini 2*, and while I agree with a few of the complaints (too many apps, clunky to use as a standalone unit for messaging, expensive plans), it does what I need it to do and just works. More than anything I want it -- as does my wife -- as a lifeline since most of the time I am traveling solo. Being able to see where I'm at or even a simple "hello" message at the end of the day goes a long way.

*I have just started using the Mini 2, but so far have found that the coverage is improved with v2 and the new apps are better than what I was using with the first gen model. I will add that I don't use it for navigation as I'm still a map/compass guy and I use CalTopo for all my mapping needs.

[fleaches]

While stand alone operation on the inreach mini is super annoying, I think it is still the only platform that has that option if your phone should break or run out of battery. That redundancy is worth something, I think.

I have the original mini but I think the upgrades on v2 are pretty minimal (longer battery life, maybe usbc?) so if you can fund a deal on a v1 I don't think you are sacrificing much.

World wide coverage is good, just don't try to bring one to India...

Sent from my Pixel 8 Pro using Tapatalk

[rainy512day]

If you already have an iPhone 14 or later you can use the Emergency SOS satellite feature for real emergencies. You can also use the Find My feature to keep track when there is cell coverage. My son was hiking solo in the Swiss alps last summer and I was able to track him.

I have the first generation inReach Mini that I got on sale from REI for $200 a couple of years ago. I use the $14.95/month basic coverage as needed. I don’t remember if there is a small yearly fee on top of that.

[BCMtnHound]

FWIW, Garmin/InReach is on the iridium satellite network. Better all round coverage, especially in northern latitudes. Satellites can communicate to each other in order to reach a ground station.

Spot was on the globalstar satellite network. Satellite to ground relay not as good as iridium, and at least up to a few years ago, fewer satellites in the north latitudes (this also affected you on steep northern aspects). Been awhile since I played with Spot or used the globalstar sat system, so this might have been improved now.

[tang]

I've used Zoleo for 3 or so years now.
- Same satellite network as Garmin (ie, Iridium I think)
- Decent bit cheaper for the device than Garmin I think (I think I saw for sale for like $150 recently)
- Plan is $20/month for basic which includes like 25 texts I think; you can also suspend service for $4/month (which I do offseason)
- You can send SOS and also an "I'm ok" msg to your contacts, directly via the device (ie, not needing your phone)
- Other communications (like texting, weather) are via your phone interface (via bluetooth)
- This works fine, as long as you keep your phone charged
- Device battery goes for days and days
- Overall has worked great for communications out in wild, or in extended hut, etc
- Fortunately haven't had to use the SOS

[Wes Mantooth]

Love my inreach mini. Super portable and has all those features you're looking for. I've found it easy to send messages via the earthmate app so you don't have to fumble around on the device itself and the satellite connectivity is good in the CO mountains where I primarily use it. My plan is $11.95/mo and I add on SAR 50 insurance for $30/yr

The mini is great since it'll fit in little stash pockets in smaller running vests and/or biking hip packs. For me personally the size is the difference maker between bringing it vs not bringing it in a lot of cases, and it's a pretty useless tool if you're leaving it at home because it's too bulky. If just using it for backcountry skiing then you'll have more pack space so maybe not as big a concern, but in the summer I'm always either on a bike with a small pack or trying to move fast and light on foot with a running pack since hiking is boring, so I appreciate the size more than I initially thought I would

[Boissal]

Another vote for the InReach mini. Not additional downsides to the ones already listed, I have occasionally had to type messages directly on the unit (no phone to pair with) and it's a major PITA but that's a bit of an edge case.
The weight/size is so negligible I basically take it anytime I go out to hike/bike/ski. No reason not to have it in case something hits the fan.
I had a super basic Spot before and it was always a bit of question mark looking at the blinking lights to figure out if a ping had been sent. I'm sure the fancier ones are much better but I don't have any experience with them.

[Foggy_Goggles]

Mini2 if you want to use the navigation, Messenger otherwise.

Probably unnecessary with cell coverage en Espana.

As with all things comms. Educate and train. They are fairly intuitive but have some idiosyncrasies.

Sent from my Turbo 850 Flatbrimed Highhorse

[gavinski91]

If you already have an iPhone 14 or later you can use the Emergency SOS satellite feature for real emergencies. You can also use the Find My feature to keep track when there is cell coverage. My son was hiking solo in the Swiss alps last summer and I was able to track him.

I have the first generation inReach Mini that I got on sale from REI for $200 a couple of years ago. I use the $14.95/month basic coverage as needed. I don’t remember if there is a small yearly fee on top of that.

You can also manually share your location by satellite when out of cell service via the FindMy app. You can update it once every 15 minutes, but you have to manually do it each time. Wouldn't rely on it though, as I had an issue over the weekend where my phone somehow thought I didn't have anyone to share my location with, so it wouldn't allow me to send out my location info (still had the emergency SOS feature available though).

[bamboocoreONLY]

I'm a big fan of the inreach explorer+

If you don't need the space savings of the mini, the explorer+ is awesome for maps and texting easier.

[TOLOCOMan]

I use an inReach mini for my own personal use, but I am forced to use a Spot at work, so pretty familiar with both. Note I used the term "forced". That kind of sums it up.

There is no comparison on the reliability of getting a signal. I've never not gotten one very quickly with the inReach. Constantly struggle with the Spot. And even when there is signal on both, the Spot takes MUCH longer to actually get a message through.

There is no doubt in my mind the inReach is more reliable.

[heckacali]

Seems the inreach family is the almost unanimous vote by the mag collective.
Thank you.
I will be shopping for likely the mini v2.


On another random Garmin note, getting ready to do some BDR action this fall and decided to update my c60 and 600 Montana to make sure they had the latest software, and I wanted to just clean up their memory and update the maps.

I had to use my kid's windows 11 gaming PC to load and run Garmin Basecamp and express as I have a Chromebook And they don't work on a Chromebook.
Grrrrrr #1

Gaming PC does not have a CD / DVD drive, only USB etc. So my 24K topo maps that I have purchased years ago on DVD and also on SD card I can't access and load into Basecamp or the devices.
Grrrr#2

Also through Basecamp and Express, i can't seem to access the maps (and other data) that are already on the devices to delete them. I want to free up space and have a clean install of the West Coast 24K topos.
Ideally I would like to strip them both clean, reinstall their operating systems with the latest OS and just install the West Coast 24K topo map, and maybe whatever the basic street map is. It's been awhile since I spent time messing around with Garmin software interfaces, but good Lord they seem old and clunky. Any Garmin gurus in Truckee I want to help a Luddite out for a bottle of something tasty?
Grrrr #3

Should go in things that annoy you thread

[~mikey b]

my coworker who is going on a bike tour trip in Finland has spent way too much time fucking with his new Garmin gps map unit and software

seems like a common problem

vibes…

see ya soon

[heckacali]

Inreach mini v2 in hand.

Props to Mikey B, nice meeting you and walking me through the options.

[~mikey b]

fkna

cheers

[Bronco]

Your local SAR/MRA team thanks you for using an inreach. 2 way communication really helps with getting the right resources into the field quickly.

[Shredhead]

Won't these all be obsolete soon or at least redundant, once all phones have SAT capabilities?

I dropped my Garmin subscription.

[doebedoe]

Won't these all be obsolete soon or at least redundant, once all phones have SAT capabilities?

I dropped my Garmin subscription.

Redundant; maybe. But redundancy is a useful characteristic when it comes to life saving equipment.